Now with video! Thomas and Frank continue their journey of ranking every single movie ever made from best to worst in one exhaustive list.
Will any of their random selections unseat "Attack of the Clones" as the best film of all time? Hopefully so, because that's a pretty bad look.
It's eleven back-to-back movie reviews from every decade and every genre, and it starts right now!
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(00:00) Intro
(03:07) Dune (2021)
(11:29) Dragon Lord (1982)
(13:00) Tampopo (1985)
(17:05) Doctor Strange in the Multiverse of Madness (2022)
(22:15) Men in Black (1997)
(30:36) Road House (1989)
(41:24) Porco Rosso (1992)
(45:37) Some Like It Hot (1959)
(53:12) Geostorm (2017)
(57:43) Kingsman: The Golden Circle (2017)
(58:45) Out of Sight (1998)
(01:04:19) Wrap-Up and Outro
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Hello and welcome to Meet Your Double Feature.
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My name is Thomas, joined as always by my brother Frank.
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Frank, how are you? Yeah, I'm all right.
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Oh. He's all right, OK.
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Just kidding, I'm so excited. He's excited, all right.
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Have been going there for a second.
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Frank's excited. I'm also excited.
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We are happy to bring you after kind of back by popular demand,
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the second episode of ranking every movie ever made.
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The show where Frank and I pull movies out of a hat and rank
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them on one exhaustive list of every movie ever made, from best
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to worst. It is an achievable goal.
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We're going to do it. The people need us to do it.
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It's it's been long enough. People need a list of everything
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ranked. People need that list.
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They're dying for it. We're going to release that
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list. Gosh, people, They've tried to
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release parts of the list, not all of it.
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They claim that's all of it, but there's more.
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There is more, and we're going to give it to you.
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I didn't understand that that was a joke right away.
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I was just like, yeah, that's what we're doing.
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We got to stop that's. So Frank, the way that ranking
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every movie ever made is going to work, much like last time,
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I'm going to have you be my random number generator guy.
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I have a list on my end of basically any movie that you or
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I have seen in the past 10-15 years or so, all listed
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alphabetically. So you're going to give me a
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random number, I'll find which movie that is on my list and
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then we will try to rank it somewhere on our pre-existing
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list, which as of now has 10 movies on it from our first
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episode. You might be alarmed to see that
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our current best movie of all time is Star Wars Attack of the
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Clones. Frank, do you have any thoughts
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on that? Is that a defensible position?
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I, I don't, and no one should be surprised by that.
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I, I think that's a very valid, yeah.
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I mean, we'll see how long it stays there.
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I, I imagine, you know, probably until we hit Revenge of the
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Sith, it'll, it'll stay up there for a long time.
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So we'll see how it goes. And then, you know, the fight of
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the century will be like, where's Phantom Menace go?
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Go Yeah. Yeah.
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So, Frank, I guess with that, why don't we put an hour on the
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clock? You can give me the first number
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and we'll get the show started. So let's we tried to come up
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with this last time. Let's spin that list of movies.
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That's good. That's good.
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Yeah, that we're really going to lock that in.
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Yep, that's the that's going to be on AT shirt by the end of the
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week. Cool, I'd wear that.
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So our first number is movie #401.
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Movie #401 Let me find it take. Your time it's just an audio
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only medium. OK movie #401 on my alphabetized
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list. Dune.
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Oh, the original Dune or the new one?
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Now again, Frank's mad about this because he has since gone
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back and fixed it, but at the time I made the list I had your
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list of movies and some of them didn't have ears on them.
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So this just says Dune. Have you seen the 80s one?
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No, I don't think so. This has to be the new one or
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it's the book, who knows? This most likely is June 2021,
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The first in the ongoing remake trilogy from Denny Villeneuve I
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believe is how you say that. I don't believe it is, but close
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enough. I don't know, I'll just paste
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over it with a real pronunciation.
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OK, so we're talking June 2021. I'm taken aback that this is
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like a popular movie. People will actually know what
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this is. Yeah, people like Dune.
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People like Dune, but did you like Dune?
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Man, I, I remember I, I didn't see that movie in theaters.
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I watched it I think the same year it came out, but like, I
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was not as excited for it. I guess there's a lot of other
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people. I, I didn't even really
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understand the hype around it. I, I'd, I'd heard of Dune.
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I know it's like in very early sci-fi property that a lot of
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stuff has taken inspiration from, but I didn't expect the
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movie to be such a huge hit, which I guess that's on me.
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And so I watched it like later on on, you know, streaming on
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like HBO. And I don't think I felt that
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strongly about it. I remember about when it got to
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the end of the movie and it was like a cliffhanger.
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I was like, wait, what? This is there's more to this.
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I didn't realize that there was like a multiple part series of
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films either. So I think I walked away from it
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feeling very like whatever, you know?
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I'm oddly in almost the exact same boat.
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I think I watched the movie after it left theaters.
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I mean this was 2021 so I don't know how maybe like limited the
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theatrical release was anyway with people getting back out
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into public spaces. I don't really remember, but I
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was also in that camp. I had read like the first half
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of the Dune novel some years prior and thought the book was
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interesting, but I think this movie presented itself as
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something that was trying to hit such a high bar that I found
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myself being oddly critical of it.
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Visually, it's spectacular. It is a rare case of a newer
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movie that is like entirely VFX created that still kind of looks
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and feels impressive. I think a lot of computer
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animated set pieces and environments just look kind of
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like featureless and are not that interesting to look at.
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Dude is. And it has interesting sound
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design, you know, like there's a lot going in its favor.
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But I had no emotional resonance to anything in it.
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I agree with both of those statements actually.
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I think it looks great, especially compared to a lot of
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other modern like the FX heavy films.
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But I think it comes from the source material that I just
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didn't really connect with any of the characters in the movie
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at all. And some of the lore is dense
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too, which is great for like a sci-fi novel.
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And I know there was there was an original Dune adaptation
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which I'm actually interested to watch that one because I'm
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curious as to as to how they tried adapting the material
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then. But I think that's why I walked
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away from it, like not feeling that strongly.
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Either way, I was like that. That looked great, like it was
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entertaining in a way, but the characters like, and the story
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did not resonate with me that much.
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There's. There's elements to Dune that as
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a film were harmed by being an earnest adaptation of the story.
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Like the characters in doing the novel have like a stoicism about
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them and their specific details, like the what do they call like
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the slow suits? Like you can't shoot these
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people with bullets, so you have to like really gently push
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swords into them. Like those those aspects were
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adapted honestly into the movie and they looked frankly stupid
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at times. Like there's nothing tense
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about. Like, oh, I'm going to get you.
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Oh, hold still. Like it's not.
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I don't know there there's aspects that I think made it a
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hard thing to adapt and they did a great job in a way, but the
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the core of that story is hard to get into for some.
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Yeah, it's reminding me there's, I believe the author's name is
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Brandon Sanderson, who a lot of people would be familiar with,
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but he wrote, he's wrote a ton of things, but the Mistborn
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series is, is a popular one that's that's getting film
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adaptation now. And I've seen people say very
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similar things about that, that that book series has very dense
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mechanics to the way that things work in that world and, and in
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the combat especially. And so people are very like
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interested in seeing how they're going to adapt that into the the
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film version. I know in that case he's very
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involved. I I think he's like going to be
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the screenwriter on the film. But I think similar case there.
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Yeah, I think they they maybe this modern Dune series has done
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the best they could in terms of adapting the material.
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But it's, it's just, you know, it's old sci-fi, it's old text
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that they're working with. Yeah.
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So as far as where would rank for us, like none of this is to
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say, oh, the Dune movies are bad.
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I never saw the second one because I had no interest after
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the first one. So that speaks to our impression
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of it, But I would not go as far as to like the movie's bad.
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It just is fine. Like I found it.
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I found it landed in a strong middle ground.
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So we're sitting on a weird list.
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We have 10 random movies that we pulled previously.
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I think this could sail all the way up to Hercules Uncontested,
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which is our current number 5, the Disney Hercules.
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Do you think it's better than Disney Hercules?
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That's. Those are so hard to compare
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actually because. Nah, they're basically the same
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thing. Sand sandals.
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I, I think a lot of this list is going to be going off like gut
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feelings and I'm just going to, I'd put it maybe right above
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Hercules. I think that feels.
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Above Hercules that would put it below our our torch bearer for
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the whole series. Hot Fuzz, which was the first
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movie we pulled. Dude and Hot Fuzz.
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Honestly for me similar feel like good sound movies that I
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should like more than I do and something about them didn't
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fully connect. You don't have to like every
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everything you know. It's not for me, which is
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unfortunate for this definitive list of the best movies ever
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made, but. It is definitive and everyone
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has to swear by it. Forever, so abide by it.
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This is your one chance, dude, you know.
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So is that above or below Hot Fuzz?
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Oh gosh, stupid Hot Fuzz. Hot Fuzz is killing us.
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If you heard our first episode, which please go back and watch
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it. If there is obviously continuity
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between that and this. I I don't know what to make of
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Hot Fuzz. It's aimless.
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I don't know how I would, but it's a good one to have because
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I feel like that's a shorthand. Is it better than Hot Fuzz?
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Yes or no? I say let's put it right below
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in between Hot Fuzz right below feels right for right.
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Now, so the current 5th best movie ever made is 2021's Dune,
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written and directed by Denis Denis.
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Are you OK? I'll get it, don't worry.
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OK, so dune #5 good job, dude. Frank, that means it's time for
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you to spin that list and give us our next movie.
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Spin that list. Oh, it's really close, 393. 393.
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Yeah, Why is that so surprising? 393 Let's see 393 on our
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alphabetized list is 1982's Dragon Lord.
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What is? That I have no idea.
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Is that you? That might be me.
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Let's do a quick search. OK?
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1982's Dragon Lord is a Jackie Chan movie, our second one, but
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I don't know which of us saw this.
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It looks like a like a historical setting Jackie Chan
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movie. One of his earlier ones before
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his like big breakout. I couldn't tell you which of us
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saw this. Well, we got to keep the list
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moving, so let's just plug it in right under Who am I?
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Keep trucking. Should we be that careless about
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it? Got a lot of movies to get
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through. Got a lot of movies to get
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through. OK.
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I mean, considering I've seen like dozens of his films and
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could tell you a lot about most of them, the fact that Dragon
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Lord doesn't ring a bell means that yeah, we're going to slot
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it right below Who Am I? Which is what I at least
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remember the plot of Let. Me Google it real quick, let me
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see if I can if this brings any memories up.
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Listen, the list is unforgiving, OK?
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If you don't make a strong enough impression, how are we
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supposed to rate you as like a great, you know, all time movie?
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I couldn't even tell you what it was about.
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Yeah, moving on. Moving on, spin that list.
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Spin that list. Oh, OK, we're going near or to
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the bottom. It is 1228. 1228 that would be
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Oh, this is amusing. OK, 12/28 on our alphabetized
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list is the 1985 Japanese film Tampopo.
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Frank, I got you a Criterion Collection copy of Tampopo for
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Christmas or something, and I think you haven't watched it.
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And not only that, I think you flew back to LA and you left it
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here. Come on now.
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He had it in his hands, people. Yeah, well, you know, we have
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one of those diskless PlayStation Fives here, so like,
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I don't think I have anything that can play Blu rays or DVDs,
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so that might have been part of the issue.
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OK, I will say Tampopo, Japanese film, immediately in contention
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for the top of the list as it stands right now, because it's a
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fantastic, fantastic movie. I've seen it twice.
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It's one of my wife's favorite movies.
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It's this very stylistic film presented almost with a quality
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akin to, like, an old American Western, But instead of being
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about like, an old saloon, it's about a woman trying to run her
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own ramen shop. And this guy comes in who is
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presented like a cowboy. He literally has a cowboy hat on
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who has to kind of like, teach her the way in order to make,
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like, real authentic ramen noodle dishes.
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And the whole thing is this bizarre contemplation on cooking
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and food and, like, the life cycle and the nature of, like,
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what makes someone an amateur or a professional.
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It's so hard to pitch why this movie is fascinating, but it's
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genuinely really, really good. Like, even someone who has not
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spent a lot of time watching foreign films, like films from
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outside your own country. Tom Papa's great.
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It translates well. It's amazing.
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No, that actually, Yeah, that sounds great.
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I understand why you got me that DVD now.
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Wish I could have seen it, but it's.
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Sitting at my place right now where I watched it again.
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I took the plastic off you didn't even get to.
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I do really want to watch that one.
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I remember you, actually. I remember this gift.
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I remember you pitching it almost the same way actually.
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I remember thinking, God, I can't wait to throw this out on
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the way home. No, no, no, no, no, no, I I
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would I would love to watch this movie, mainly that DVD.
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So I can't. So I'll try and just.
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Force it into. The TV somehow.
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So I would say our top movies on the list so far.
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We have Attack of the Clones, Highlander, Angel Heart, a lot
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of 80s films near the top. I'd be comfortable putting Tom
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Popo at the very least at #2 I like it even more than
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Highlander, which I spoke very highly of last time.
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The question is, can it go above Star Wars Episode 2 Attack of
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the Clones or are we just going to sell out in Episode 2?
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Wait. Wait, which version of this is
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selling out, not leaving Attack of the Clones at the top?
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I think leaving Attack of the Clones at the top is US
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destroying our credibility, but it's also episode 2 of the
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series. Oh.
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So anyway, Tom popo #1 movie. Yeah, I put it on top.
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Let's let's be real. Come on.
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Let's be real, we're not total hacks.
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We just didn't care enough about Highlander to not put Star Wars
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Popo. Yeah, totally.
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So Tom Popo temporarily best movie of all time.
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Not even mad, it's a genuinely delightful watch.
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Very comedic, couldn't recommend that enough.
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OK, so Star Wars Episode 2 has been unseated.
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Tom Popo is now the best movie of all time, unless our next one
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ranks didn't even higher. So, Frank, why don't we spin
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that list? That's the fun thing, you know,
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We don't know what's coming next.
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We don't know. Spin that list and we got
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number. Does this even work?
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363 this time. I feel like we're just ping pong
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in. Here.
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OK, strange, OK #363 on the alphabetical list.
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Frank, this is a movie we saw together at the movie theater
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Doctor Strange and the Multiverse of Madness from 2022.
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Oh, I remember that. That was yeah, I remember that.
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I was the Marvel movie, very mainstream.
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Frank was there. That was the.
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Sam Raimi 1. Yes, directed by Sam Raimi.
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This was in that period where the Marvel Cinematic Universe
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had made it past its end game and interest was waning, Still
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is. And so they started handing out
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projects to slightly more, I guess, auteur directors.
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Not that they haven't always done that a little bit, but I
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think them bringing in Sam Raimi was very much like, please pay
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attention to this one. We know people like Sam Raimi's
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filmmaking. It's very, I don't know, kind of
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non conformist. It's very stylistic in a way
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that draws attention to it being a movie.
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You know what I mean? Like a lot of obvious sort of
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comedic use of cameras. That's a very generic sentence.
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He uses cameras. It turns him on.
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It does. It does turn the camera on at
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some. Point the camera on.
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He uses a lot of over the top comedic sight gags and like
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flashy camera moves in his earlier film.
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Stuff like Evil Dead. I will say Doctor Strange here
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kind of still just feels like a regular Marvel movie.
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It does. That came out I believe around
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the same time as the last Spider Man movie where they did the the
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cameos. Yeah, all right.
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Sam made me Spider Man 2. I got ahead of myself.
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Obviously he's done superhero movies as well.
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Right, Yeah, yeah, it didn't leave the lasting impression.
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I I think it had some of his trademark visual style in parts
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of the film, but it overall still felt very much like a
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Marvel movie. And as you mentioned, like
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Marvel past its end game peak, so not great.
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Not. Great.
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And I think it's set up the like again, this all kind of blends
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together in a mush at this point, but like think it ends on
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some sort of cliffhanger with like Tilda Swinton, if I'm
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remembering correctly. I honestly don't know.
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I could have dreamed that, but I think that's how the movie ends.
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I know, yeah, he he grows like a third eye and I don't even know
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if that character has been seen since.
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No, that's the thing, yeah. It might not even be followed up
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on because like that's, that's been another thing Marvel's done
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recently. Is that just like dropped.
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I I think like I saw an article one time that was like all the
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post credit scenes that have led to nothing.
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And I think that might be one of them.
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Yeah, I mean, which makes it probably all the better that
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like the final post credits scene in this one was just like
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a joke with like Bruce Campbell showing up because he's in all
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the Sam Raimi movies. Like it was nothing.
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It was like an intentional, intentionally flat scene almost
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to make fun of you for waiting. Yeah, totally, totally.
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That was fine. I gosh, I honestly have almost
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nothing good to say about this one.
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It's not like a terrible film, it's just grossly unremarkable.
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It's a Marvel movie. It's like that, that, that just
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you, you know what that feels like.
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You know what that is like. You can fill in the blanks even
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if you haven't seen this movie. Yeah, I on the rankings, it's
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going to be in the bottom half. I would say that it's can easily
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slot in above some of these movies at the bottom that we
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hardly even remember or like strongly disliked.
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It's for me. The question is, does Doctor
00:20:38
Strange to get above Jackie Chan's?
00:20:42
Who am I? I don't.
00:20:44
Think so. Does it get above Dragonlord
00:20:46
though? Honestly, having not even
00:20:49
recalled the movie, I would probably prefer Dragon.
00:20:52
Lord. Yeah, let's put it below Dragon
00:20:53
Lord, actually. But above Hilary Duff's
00:20:56
Cinderella story. Well, that's a good movie.
00:20:59
Let's not be too hasty here. But no it can it.
00:21:02
Can go above OK. You did not seem eager to talk
00:21:05
about it last time. Well, you were judging me.
00:21:07
I didn't want to, you know, I was like, OK, I was judging a
00:21:09
Cinderella story. If actual like Disney Cinderella
00:21:13
shows up on this list, it'll go much higher but Hilary Duff,
00:21:17
that's for sure. She was an icon if they're early
00:21:19
2000s. Same.
00:21:27
OK, that's another one locked in.
00:21:29
Things are moving quick today. We might get through more than
00:21:31
10 movies. Frank, back to you.
00:21:33
Let's spin that wheel. Spinning the wheel and we are
00:21:38
landing on number. What?
00:21:40
What? What's that bitch?
00:21:43
You made it to. Just trying to add some flavour
00:21:47
to it. Yeah, no, that was good.
00:21:49
We don't have a theme song for the wheel yet, so.
00:21:51
We'll get there though. I like it in the.
00:21:54
Wheel sounds like you're on a wheel wall, right?
00:21:59
Exactly. Yeah, somebody's throwing knives
00:22:02
at me. Yeah, it's going to be #806.
00:22:07
806. Yeah, you're always surprised by
00:22:10
the numbers like that. I'm.
00:22:11
Scrolling. I'm scrolling to find it while
00:22:13
we talk about it. OK, First off, we were one away
00:22:17
from pulling a movie that we've covered on our main Meet Your
00:22:20
Double feature programming. So that's a bummer.
00:22:22
I want to pull those at some point instead #806
00:22:26
alphabetically 1990 Sevens, Men in Black.
00:22:31
Oh, that's interesting. That isn't real movie.
00:22:35
OK #806. If that is your real name, OK.
00:22:39
Men in Black, I would say off the bat is a movie that's like,
00:22:44
actually even a bit better than people give it credit for it.
00:22:47
I I agree, I think it's like it's one of those movies that
00:22:51
was a huge commercial financial success, but is also like
00:22:57
critically speaking, a a good film.
00:23:00
It it's, it's entertaining, it's fun.
00:23:02
It's. Like appropriately balanced
00:23:05
between comedy and drama. Yeah, I totally Yeah.
00:23:09
Like fun performances too from the two leads like Will Smith
00:23:14
and Agent Kelly Jones, Tommy Lee Jones.
00:23:19
Yeah, I really like Men in Black.
00:23:21
I think I saw it again just a couple of years ago, and I think
00:23:25
I'm impressed most by Will Smith's performance.
00:23:29
I mean, this was pretty early into him breaking out as an
00:23:31
actor instead of I mean, he'd already done TV for a long time,
00:23:34
but this was like some of his earliest big film roles.
00:23:36
He does genuinely good. He gives like the appropriate
00:23:40
amount of gravity to like the more serious parts of the story,
00:23:43
but then also obviously brings in his like, goofy comedy to it.
00:23:47
And there's also just occasionally really strong bits
00:23:49
of dialogue. I think Tommy Lee Jones has like
00:23:51
a little monologue to him about what does he say?
00:23:56
This is a poll. We had a we had a quote from
00:23:58
this movie as our as our bio on our old Xbox 360 profile.
00:24:04
That's true. I remember that, yeah.
00:24:07
It was something like he was like a person is smart, people
00:24:12
are dumb, stupid animals and you know it or something like that.
00:24:16
But he he was trying to draw a comparison about how obviously
00:24:18
silly it sounded for aliens to exist.
00:24:21
And he compared it to the evolving understanding of the
00:24:25
world that we've had throughout history, where he's like, people
00:24:27
used to know that the sun was the center of the universe and
00:24:31
they used to know this and that. All things that have since been
00:24:34
disproven. Can you imagine what you'll know
00:24:37
tomorrow? Like.
00:24:38
And it's a very interesting piece of dialogue in what could
00:24:41
have easily been a really silly movie.
00:24:43
Yeah, it's very like philosophical.
00:24:45
And then even the the ending of the film where it just like
00:24:49
zooms out from Earth and then just keeps zooming further and
00:24:52
further out until it's like giant aliens are using entire
00:24:56
galaxies as like a game of marbles.
00:24:59
It's like kind of silly, but also like kind of poignant too,
00:25:05
in terms of like, you know, sci-fi and like philosophical
00:25:10
exploration of the unknown. And yeah, I think I think it's
00:25:15
honestly, it's probably my favorite Will Smith performance
00:25:18
out of any of his movies like that.
00:25:21
Like, oh. Absolutely.
00:25:22
Because he has two sides at least, you know what I mean?
00:25:24
Like, he's not just there to crack jokes and he's not, you
00:25:27
know, gunning for an Oscar. He's playing a character who is
00:25:31
light hearted but still self serious about like the dangers
00:25:35
happening in the story. Yeah, plus so much like
00:25:38
iconography from that movie too, like the their little memory
00:25:42
eraser thing, like. Yeah, the Neuralizer.
00:25:45
Put the neuralizer. Yeah, they put on the
00:25:47
sunglasses. Like they got those great
00:25:49
outfits. There's there's that funny scene
00:25:52
where they're like testing Will Smith and he like, like, you
00:25:55
know, they're like shooting the cardboard cutouts of the aliens
00:25:58
and he like shoots the little girl or something like.
00:26:01
Yeah. It's just like it's just great
00:26:04
even 00. And great performance from
00:26:05
Vincent d'onofrio too. Is like the gross cockroach guy.
00:26:08
Oh my gosh yeah him portraying an alien wearing a human body as
00:26:14
like a skin suit is so well done I can't believe it.
00:26:18
Like he is wearing prosthetics to exaggerate how like droopy he
00:26:22
looks, but the actual like vocal performance and his mannerisms
00:26:25
are amazing. Super super memorable.
00:26:28
It's like the opposite of Dragonlord.
00:26:33
Yeah, exactly. That scene at the the end, too,
00:26:35
where Will Smith is like stepping on all the cockroaches
00:26:37
and he's like, oh, was that your auntie like?
00:26:40
Yeah, exactly. Say, genuinely funny, genuinely
00:26:43
good sci-fi, strong performances, memorable
00:26:46
characters. Like for me, men in blacks are
00:26:48
already competing with Star Wars Attack of the Clones.
00:26:52
Honestly, I'm going to put it above Attack of the Clones in
00:26:56
terms of it competing with temp popo.
00:26:58
Then again, you're getting into an interesting discussion
00:27:01
because it's like this very from what I understand tempo to be a
00:27:06
more like artsy film, like something more smaller and
00:27:11
character driven versus Men in Black, which is so big, but Men
00:27:13
in Black just succeeds on so many levels, which is.
00:27:17
Such a rare. Thing to I.
00:27:20
I agree. Like if you can aim for that
00:27:24
broad of an appeal but still have substance that goes all the
00:27:27
way down. Like it's kind of a matter of
00:27:31
ideology at that point. I feel like you and I personally
00:27:35
have always really loved movies in that middle ground.
00:27:38
Like they're trying to be big and for everybody, but they have
00:27:41
substance behind them. I think that's what to to that
00:27:45
point that you just made. Like that's what a lot of people
00:27:47
think of when they think of a movie, especially a good movie
00:27:50
or a movie that they like is something like A Man in Black,
00:27:54
that it's like something that has a cultural footprint but is
00:28:00
still like, very good and and entertaining and has artistic
00:28:04
value to it. It it really speaks to the
00:28:07
dichotomy of what movies can be, especially in that, you know,
00:28:12
big commercial space. But yeah, what were you going to
00:28:14
say about Tampopo? Tampopo has more DNA in common
00:28:19
with Men in Black than you might think in terms of how odd and
00:28:24
comedic it is. Like, there's vignettes in
00:28:27
Tampopo that are so strange and so, like, just goofy funny.
00:28:31
Like, there's a scene at the beginning that's this old man
00:28:35
trying to, like, teach a young man how to properly eat, like a
00:28:38
bowl of ramen. Because, you know, in Japan, a
00:28:41
bowl of ramen is like a set dish that has, like, noodles and pork
00:28:45
and vegetables all kind of neatly arranged.
00:28:48
And he's, like, trying to explain to the young man, like,
00:28:50
how to properly eat the food, but it's just, like, pure
00:28:54
gibberish. He's just like, first, you have
00:28:56
to tap your chopstick on the pork three times as if to say,
00:28:59
I'm sorry. Like, it's not going for
00:29:03
anything more than Men in Black is, in a way.
00:29:07
Like, it is a smaller scale movie.
00:29:09
And it's not, you know, a action blockbuster.
00:29:12
But they actually are kind of going through the same thing.
00:29:14
So I'd be happy putting Men in Black on either side of Tampopo.
00:29:18
Yeah, it is tough because then it really calls into question
00:29:21
whether we're ranking these on like artistic value or
00:29:25
entertainment value. I honestly, I agree.
00:29:29
I, I, I would, I would be OK with this going on either side.
00:29:32
I, I think, gosh, I think for now let's maybe #1.
00:29:36
Let's just put men in black. Number one, yeah.
00:29:38
Maybe #1 tempo PO get lost, loser.
00:29:43
Yeah. Who is her if we pull Ace
00:29:47
Ventura, by the way, straight to the bottom just.
00:29:52
I'm sure it's not that. Bad.
00:29:53
No, it's not. I just, I couldn't think about
00:29:55
it in that sentence and I thought it'd be funny.
00:29:57
Straight to the bottom. OK, Men in Black, we have two,
00:30:02
two, I don't know, new number ones in the same episode.
00:30:06
That's fun. I guess.
00:30:08
Let's keep it up. Maybe we'll see an even better
00:30:10
movie. Yeah, let's find out.
00:30:13
Spin that wheel. Wheel it's.
00:30:18
A slightly longer vowel every time.
00:30:21
Yeah, Episode 4. It's going to be like spin in
00:30:22
the wee. I'm just going to fade out.
00:30:26
Just got to find the right note where, you know, right where we
00:30:28
like it. And then that's, that'll be it
00:30:30
forever. So it's going to be #1020, four,
00:30:34
10. 1024 Oh my goodness, this is a very crowd pleasing episode.
00:30:39
These are movies people will know. 1024 on our alphabetized
00:30:43
list. 1989's Roadhouse Roadhouse Roadhouse.
00:30:48
Probably best known for that Family Guy bit where he just
00:30:50
keeps saying Roadhouse no. I'm almost certain that it is,
00:30:54
but Roadhouse, we talked about this on the podcast recently,
00:30:58
right? Or during our was it during our
00:31:01
shoot fighter episode maybe? Possibly.
00:31:03
I don't remember how much made it into the episode, but we did
00:31:06
bring it up. I think it did because it was
00:31:08
the the throat ripping scene. Yeah, there's a there's a very
00:31:14
strange bit at Roadhouse, which is a Patrick Swayze, mostly a
00:31:18
drama, frankly. He does some martial arts style
00:31:20
stuff in it. But it is a story about him
00:31:22
being a bouncer at this very troublesome bar that has like
00:31:28
issues with a rich guy who's trying to own the land and owns
00:31:32
a competing business. And also just like rough and
00:31:34
tumble people coming through. And Swayze is portraying just
00:31:37
the coolest man alive. It's essentially his character,
00:31:41
but one of the details about him in order to sell that he's maybe
00:31:45
like a little too violent is there's a rumor that he ripped a
00:31:49
man's throat out. And then later in the movie they
00:31:52
go, oh, no, yeah, that's 100% true.
00:31:54
Also, he just did it again. Yeah, that was the most
00:31:58
surprising part because, yeah, it just it feels like this like
00:32:03
urban legend type story that people are like are telling
00:32:06
about him. Like he's he's such a prolific
00:32:09
character in the bar bouncer world, which is kind of funny
00:32:14
that that's even a thing too, that like, Oh yeah, I heard he,
00:32:17
you know, ripped a guy's throat at one time.
00:32:19
But yeah, he literally did. That's his signature move.
00:32:23
Don't mess with him. He'll rip your throat out.
00:32:24
I guess he is. Portrayed as a character from a
00:32:28
fighting game like a Street Fighter or Mortal Kombat or
00:32:32
something. Like he just has a fatality
00:32:33
move. He also makes it look really
00:32:36
effortless when he rips out a guy's throat in the movie, which
00:32:38
is part of what makes it so funny.
00:32:40
He's like, oops, got your throat.
00:32:44
Yeah, yeah. To me that's the most memorable
00:32:48
part about the whole movie because I I that was that, you
00:32:51
know, is obviously a a film that's been around for a long
00:32:55
time, but I just saw it recently in the past couple of years.
00:32:59
I think it was my first time seeing Roadhouse and I was
00:33:03
thoroughly enjoyed. Thoroughly enjoyed by it.
00:33:06
That doesn't make sense. I thoroughly.
00:33:07
Enjoyed by it. What does the movie think about
00:33:09
you? Yeah.
00:33:11
It was watching me back. Yeah, Roadhouse is falls into a
00:33:16
similar camp. I know we have Highlander on the
00:33:17
list and that's from around the same time.
00:33:19
Similar quality to it where it's like so over the top macho that
00:33:26
it comes back around to being almost like absurdist in a way
00:33:29
that makes it kind of more entertaining.
00:33:30
Because Swayze is not just a throat ripping man, he's also
00:33:34
doing like Tai chi and it's just like handsome and charming and
00:33:38
supposed to be really like soft spoken and nice.
00:33:40
But then, because it's still kind of aimed at a male
00:33:42
audience, it has to end with him, like beating 20 people to
00:33:46
death. It's it's very atmospheric too,
00:33:52
which I really appreciated about it.
00:33:54
It feels like a very lived in space.
00:33:58
There's a lot of character given to this bar that he becomes the
00:34:01
bouncer for, so much so that like the bar is a character in
00:34:05
the film in a way. And there's fun side characters
00:34:10
like his, his mentor character, who I think is that Sam Elliott.
00:34:14
Playing yes, I wanted to talk about Sam Elliott because just
00:34:16
like the whole he ripped a guy's throat out one of the like
00:34:20
prevailing things about Patrick Swayze's character, who I know I
00:34:24
thought I remembered his name. I'm just going to keep calling
00:34:26
him Patrick Swayze. He has this figure in his life
00:34:28
who, like, taught him everything he knows.
00:34:30
And from a movie perspective, before Sam Elliott shows up,
00:34:34
you're like, we're not actually going to see this guy, right?
00:34:36
Like, how could you live up to the way he's being talked about
00:34:38
as being like, even cooler than this Patrick Swayze character
00:34:43
and then Sam Elliott just actually is they found.
00:34:45
It so cool. Suave and cool bouncer man and
00:34:49
like to hit that after setting it up for so long is genuinely
00:34:52
impressive. Especially as like the older
00:34:55
mentor character too like to to still be in in comparison to
00:35:02
Patrick Swayze of all people who is just like one of the coolest
00:35:05
guys in the history of film. Like Sam Elliott, like, really
00:35:09
stepped up to the plate with that character.
00:35:11
Welcome back to the show where we just glaze Patrick Swayze way
00:35:14
too much. As everyone should.
00:35:16
He's amazing, man. Patrick Swayze is like, you
00:35:19
know, he's a movie star. Like movies have always been
00:35:24
sold on stars. You know, I, I think now we've
00:35:28
moved into a time that's not as good where, where movies are
00:35:32
sold on like properties. Like, you know, it's like, oh,
00:35:35
they're in a Superman movie. It's always a different actor
00:35:38
playing Superman. And they're sort of
00:35:39
interchangeable. People are there for the
00:35:41
character more so than for like the people in the movie.
00:35:45
But, you know, you look at people like Swayze, like Tom
00:35:49
Cruise, especially people of that era of filmmaking, it's
00:35:52
like that's what got butts in seats was Patrick Swayze is the
00:35:56
lead in this movie, you know, and, and he's great.
00:35:58
He's, you know, he's awesome. He's one of my favorites in that
00:36:02
category too. Like he didn't do a lot of
00:36:03
movies like Roadhouse. I mean, obviously he was doing
00:36:06
other things like Dirty Dancing or more serious kind of serious
00:36:08
stuff like Point Break. But he has such a like
00:36:12
effeminate quality to some of his characters too.
00:36:15
Like, again, the kind of soft spoken, like calm demeanor that
00:36:20
he puts out even in Roadhouse through a lot of it is so
00:36:23
different than like a straight up like Sylvester Stallone,
00:36:26
Schwarzenegger action man. Like he has, he's got layers,
00:36:30
OK? He listens.
00:36:34
Totally. And and also like on that same
00:36:37
point, though, like it's a recurring line of dialogue where
00:36:40
multiple characters always say to him like, oh, I thought you'd
00:36:42
be bigger, you know, because he's not like a huge guy.
00:36:46
He's not like a Stallone or Schwarzenegger, but he's he's,
00:36:51
you know, he has this mythos behind him.
00:36:54
So yeah, it's just, it's very interesting.
00:36:58
That movie, it it was, it was a pleasant watch as as one that
00:37:02
I've heard a lot about. And it's just part of the
00:37:04
cultural zeitgeist to finally sit down and watch it and for it
00:37:08
to sort of live up to those cultural expectations.
00:37:12
I was like, no, this is awesome. I like I should have seen this a
00:37:14
long time ago. Plus, from a storytelling
00:37:17
perspective, he has the benefit of being a giant red flag man,
00:37:21
which a lot of people love in their like romance novels and
00:37:25
stuff. He's like super good.
00:37:26
But also he did RIP that guy's throat out.
00:37:29
Don't date him, Jennifer. Just if there is anyone who is.
00:37:37
Just if you needed to hear that right now.
00:37:38
Yeah, don't do it. He's bad for you.
00:37:43
Well, that was that was like a thing at the end of the movie
00:37:45
too, where he has to like, it's very much like that Jackie Chan
00:37:48
thing where he's like, don't, don't push me, don't make me do
00:37:51
this. He's like, I don't want to be
00:37:52
that guy anymore. Like, but I will.
00:37:55
I will Kung Fu you to death. It might just happen.
00:37:58
I'll do it. Would you say that his
00:38:00
presentation in Roadhouse is akin to like an old Western?
00:38:03
Because that's so often the John Wayne S character is like,
00:38:06
they're almost a civilized person, but they have too much
00:38:10
in common with the like, dangerous outlaw characters and
00:38:15
you need that in order for them to keep the town safe, but
00:38:18
ultimately they can't. They can't stay in the town.
00:38:21
Yeah, because. They're too wild to actually
00:38:23
stay in one place, so the relationship always ends on this
00:38:25
kind of because he does leave at the end, right?
00:38:28
Oh, actually, I don't know if he does, I think he might like stay
00:38:33
with. I can't remember who was playing
00:38:36
the romantic lead in that movie. I.
00:38:38
Also don't remember I can stop to look it up.
00:38:41
Yeah, let's stop to look it up because that would feel unfair
00:38:43
because I think she's great in that movie too.
00:38:46
Kelly Lynch. Oh, OK.
00:38:49
Who I guess I haven't seen a lot of the stuff that she has been
00:38:54
in. Kelly Lynch was in Cocktail,
00:38:57
which is a Tom Cruise movie. We were just talking about him
00:39:00
and was in Roadhouse and then also had an acclaimed
00:39:04
performance in the 1989 movie Drugstore Cowboy.
00:39:07
So kind of a 80s localized performer.
00:39:11
Yeah, I, I could be wrong. I think he does stay with her in
00:39:14
the end, like in the town maybe, but I don't know.
00:39:18
Go watch Roadhouse and and let us know.
00:39:21
But you're right. I that's a, that's a very good
00:39:23
point to bring up is that it is very Western inspired at least
00:39:28
because, you know, he he rolls into town, he's like this new
00:39:31
sheriff into town. Yeah, but he's the bouncer of
00:39:33
the bar. That's how they're like
00:39:34
translating that. It's a big combination of genres
00:39:37
that it kind of resonates in a way that we talked about
00:39:40
Highlander last time. It's just like peak 80s vibes,
00:39:44
you know, Roadhouse, you don't need to say anything else.
00:39:47
Well, I'm going to defer to you then.
00:39:49
And because I think this, I have a feeling of where this should
00:39:54
land. To me, I think it's like in
00:39:58
between the tack of the clones and Highlander.
00:40:00
Interesting sales past Hot Fuzz. I agree with that.
00:40:03
It's past the Fathuzz boundary. The Fathuzz.
00:40:07
Whatever. If this list was like a
00:40:12
geographical map, there'd just be like a a ravine in the middle
00:40:15
of it labeled Hotline. I would say it's definitely
00:40:20
above or below. I mean Angel Heart 2 is also
00:40:24
kind of in that same campus. Highlander.
00:40:25
Very different movie but has some similar type of appeal to
00:40:29
it. He could go anywhere.
00:40:32
I would say Roadhouse maybe, maybe above Highlander.
00:40:37
Yeah, that's that's what, that's what I was feeling too.
00:40:39
OK, so that's our that's currently going to be #4 for
00:40:42
Patrick Swayze. RIP you handsome man.
00:40:49
Yeah. I, I think, yeah, a lot of this
00:40:51
list, as I may have said earlier, is just going to be
00:40:54
going off vibes and I think we could spend forever deliberating
00:40:57
too much, but it is final. There will be no changes ever.
00:40:59
There will be no changes accepted.
00:41:01
We are going to be submitting this to the Library of Congress
00:41:03
as soon as we are finished. Yeah, any day now.
00:41:08
Any day now. All right, Frank, we're 2/3 of
00:41:10
the way through our hour. We're actually doing great.
00:41:12
I feel like we've gotten a lot of good discussion in, but let's
00:41:14
keep moving. Let's spin that list.
00:41:16
Spin in the list and we are going to 974.
00:41:22
OK, 974. All right, all right, We're
00:41:25
still on track. People will know this one, I
00:41:27
think this is 1992's Porco Rosso, which is our first Studio
00:41:31
Ghibli movie. Oh, that's cool.
00:41:33
We're getting a good mix of animated films in here already,
00:41:36
which is interesting. This is going so much better
00:41:39
than last time when we pulled a Sailor Moon movie and the Hilary
00:41:42
Duff. What people will recognize
00:41:44
these? People will know those ones.
00:41:46
There's a lot of people will recognize Cinderella's story,
00:41:49
All right, There's. People.
00:41:51
Out there. That like it do a separate
00:41:52
retrospective about that sometime.
00:41:54
Frank, have you have you seen Porco Rosso?
00:41:57
I actually don't think I have. This is what I I've seen a good
00:42:01
amount of Studio Ghibli, but not all of them.
00:42:04
Car Caroso, imagery wise, is predominantly about a pig man
00:42:08
flying an old World War Two plane that kind of looks like
00:42:13
the plane that Tails flies around it and Sonic the
00:42:15
Hedgehog. That that paints a very clear
00:42:18
picture. So thank you like.
00:42:19
A red, yeah, like a red biplane. Sonic is not on the wing of it,
00:42:24
but there is a pig in this in the cockpit, played by in the
00:42:27
English dub Michael Keaton. Oh, that's fun.
00:42:31
And he's the lead character of this pig.
00:42:33
He is, he's the lead pig. Korko Bros is great.
00:42:37
I would say like top level. It doesn't immediately come to
00:42:40
mind as like a favorite Studio Ghibli movie, but the bar for
00:42:44
their films is so, so high that it's still clears like a lot of
00:42:49
stuff. Like it will be in the upper
00:42:51
echelons of this list no matter how long it gets, because these
00:42:54
movies are just gorgeously animated and deeply moving.
00:42:58
Like every single one basically. Yeah, yeah, absolutely.
00:43:02
This was a Miyazaki picture as well I believe.
00:43:05
Right. Specifically, yeah.
00:43:06
It's like the the full Hayao Miyazaki Studio Ghibli team in
00:43:10
the 90s, which is around the time they released a lot of
00:43:13
their biggest stuff. I mean, I think the most famous
00:43:17
Studio Ghibli movie might be oh gosh, I'm forgetting the name.
00:43:22
Ironically, you know which one I'm talking about, right?
00:43:26
Are. You talking about Spirited Away?
00:43:29
Spirited Away, there it is. Spirited Away I think has the
00:43:31
biggest reach. Like that was the one that got
00:43:34
an Oscar nomination in the USI think a lot of people would
00:43:36
think of that one first. And there's others too, but like
00:43:39
Porca Rosa is pretty much just as good.
00:43:41
It just doesn't have quite as much of that.
00:43:45
It doesn't have as much of that Gen.
00:43:47
Issaquah that some of these other movies have that puts them
00:43:49
even a little bit higher. So on a Studio Ghibli ranking,
00:43:52
it'd be in the middle on our list.
00:43:54
It, just like default, goes pretty high up.
00:43:57
Yeah. So I mean, what do we think?
00:43:59
Where are we? Where are we slotting this one
00:44:00
in? Does Porco Rosso crash his plane
00:44:03
into the Hot Fuzz refine? I don't know.
00:44:09
I think you could much like with that Jackie Chan movie.
00:44:12
I can't remember a lot about it. Like I remember that it's a
00:44:15
smaller scale story. I know he has like a kind of a
00:44:19
feud with like another guy in a plane and there's implications
00:44:23
that like, he used to be a regular human man turned into a
00:44:26
pig. I I guess would you put it above
00:44:29
or below Hercules? That's a good spot.
00:44:31
It's probably similar to how we mentioned Hercules.
00:44:35
It's, like, still a fantastic film, but not as strong as its
00:44:39
contemporary Disney movies. Porca Rosa is that, but for
00:44:42
Ghibli, however, I think it probably goes above Hercules.
00:44:46
Yeah. That's fine.
00:44:48
That puts it below Dune, which I think is fair.
00:44:52
That's me. That's me letting some ego go
00:44:54
out of this because like, I found Dune a little boring, but
00:44:56
it's still probably a more substantive movie.
00:44:59
It checks a couple more boxes, so I'm OK with Poca Rosa going
00:45:02
right below Dune. Yeah, that feels right.
00:45:05
That feels right to me as well. Feels right and it's final.
00:45:08
Legally cannot be changed. Yeah, sorry, not sorry.
00:45:12
You're welcome. That's actually a quote from A
00:45:17
Cinderella Story starring Henry. You wouldn't even know.
00:45:21
I wouldn't even know that's true.
00:45:23
All right, moving on. Spin that wheel.
00:45:27
Spinning. Jeez, low numbers again here.
00:45:30
Well, I guess high numbers depending on how you want to
00:45:32
look at it 1125. OK, OK, Number 1125, Frank,
00:45:40
again, I think you haven't seen this one, but we've talked about
00:45:42
it is 1959's Some Like It Hot. Oh, this is this is 1 I I've
00:45:47
wanted to watch for a long time. This this has been on my list.
00:45:51
So you can tell us a little bit about that one.
00:45:55
Some Like It Hot is directed by Billy Wilder who also made
00:45:58
Sunset Blvd. both very very famous golden age Hollywood
00:46:03
films. Although some Like It Hot, I
00:46:05
believe had some role in the like final ending of The Haze
00:46:12
Code in Hollywood. So you maybe have a better
00:46:16
summary of this to me, for people who don't know what, what
00:46:18
was the importance of like the Hayes code in like 30s forties,
00:46:21
50s Hollywood? It was essentially just a set of
00:46:26
rules in studio film making it in a sense.
00:46:30
It was a list of things that were prohibited.
00:46:33
And I'm not sure what year it officially ended, but I believe
00:46:40
a certain era of like golden age Hollywood ended around the 60s
00:46:45
going into the 70s. And that's when you got this
00:46:47
huge shift in the types of films you would see.
00:46:52
Because it was a shift from this like very picturesque, crisp,
00:47:00
clean world of Hollywood filmmaking to something more
00:47:05
gritty and substantive and realistic.
00:47:08
And the case code was a big part of that because of the the types
00:47:13
of things studio film makers weren't allowed to show in their
00:47:17
films. Yeah, essentially it was like an
00:47:21
attempt to self censor from Hollywood itself to avoid being
00:47:26
censored officially by the US government for content, because
00:47:29
they knew that if it went to that point, it would strip all
00:47:32
of their control away. Whereas if they kind of
00:47:34
preemptively stopped major studio releases from having like
00:47:38
too much violence, too much sexual implications or content
00:47:42
that they could get away unscathed, which was obviously
00:47:45
limiting, but did create this interesting period of like a lot
00:47:49
more strong use of like implications and metaphor to
00:47:53
talk about those same things without talking about them, you
00:47:56
know? Yeah, like just some cool
00:47:58
things. I mean, like the golden era of
00:47:59
Hollywood produced some fantastic films.
00:48:02
I mean, when the studios had a monopoly, it was a bad thing in
00:48:07
a way. But a lot of the films that came
00:48:10
out of that era were amazing. And as you put it to like, it
00:48:14
really forced some film makers to make interesting creative
00:48:19
decisions in terms of like how they would tell their story
00:48:22
under those limitations. Yeah, and some like it hot.
00:48:27
Interestingly, I think along with a number of other films
00:48:29
around that time, just were such big successes and pushed the
00:48:34
boundaries just enough that it kind of broke the wall down in
00:48:39
heading into the 60s. Because plot wise, the movie is
00:48:42
about these two musicians. These like down on their luck
00:48:44
musicians who witness accidentally witnessed the real
00:48:49
historical event called the Saint Valentine's Day massacre
00:48:52
in Chicago, which was a like mob hit where all these people got
00:48:56
killed with like Tommy guns in a very, you know, over the top
00:49:00
fashion. So these characters witnessed
00:49:02
this and are being chased by the mob because, you know, so they
00:49:06
don't reveal their identities and in order to get away, they
00:49:10
dress up in drag in order to get into like an all women's like
00:49:14
jazz band or something. That's like heading down to, I
00:49:17
don't know whether maybe down to Florida or something.
00:49:20
So they they have to spend most of the movie in drag pretending
00:49:23
to be women while one of them is inadvertently falling in love
00:49:27
with a woman that they meet. They're played by Marilyn
00:49:29
Monroe. Yeah, that's fun.
00:49:31
That's just really fun. It's a surprisingly tasteful
00:49:35
movie. Like, obviously it's full of,
00:49:38
you know, it's not up to par with a a true Renaissance film
00:49:41
like White Chicks, but. Sure, sure.
00:49:46
It manages to avoid being like deeply problematic and
00:49:49
considering it's from the 50s. There's even a very famous bit
00:49:52
at the end where the one guy dressed as a woman is in love
00:49:56
with Marilyn Monroe and dealing with like how to reveal himself
00:49:59
to her, you know, and profess his love with.
00:50:01
He ends up having to essentially portray a fictional man in these
00:50:05
off time from being dressed up as a fake woman.
00:50:07
The other guy is just being relentlessly hit on by this old
00:50:10
man and wants nothing to do with it.
00:50:12
It's it's Jack Lemmon is playing this character and it's just
00:50:15
this old rich man trying to like make her in quotes marry him.
00:50:19
And at the end, in order to finally get him to stop, Jack
00:50:22
Lemmon rips his wig off and is like, I'm a man.
00:50:25
And then the guy just goes, well, nobody's perfect.
00:50:27
And then the movie. Yeah, I know.
00:50:29
I've seen that clip a bunch of times and that's what it's made
00:50:32
me want to watch the movie. I'm like, oh, that's great.
00:50:34
And I love that that's the end of the movie.
00:50:36
Yeah, that's the last line in the movie.
00:50:41
All I could say, I finally saw this movie just in 2025, I
00:50:44
believe. It does drag considerably in the
00:50:48
middle. There's a point where they reach
00:50:50
this hotel, which is one that you and I have been near.
00:50:55
It's it's a hotel on a beach in like, San Diego.
00:50:57
I don't know what it's actually called, but it's been used as a
00:50:59
filming location a lot and we've been to that beach.
00:51:02
So I realized while watching the movie that I'd seen that before.
00:51:05
And I think that once the characters reach this spot,
00:51:07
there's the like off and on thing with Marilyn Monroe's
00:51:10
character, who does give a great performance in her own right.
00:51:13
But the movie just like slows to a halt though.
00:51:15
Like the action's all done, the energy's out of the room and it
00:51:18
it takes like 30 minutes and devotes it to this bit with her
00:51:22
and the other guy. And then by the end it comes
00:51:25
back into it. But if they could have trimmed
00:51:26
down that middle bit, you'd have like a straight up like all
00:51:29
timer top movie and instead you have a movie that's really,
00:51:32
really good, but not. Flawless.
00:51:36
OK, OK, well, that's that's valid.
00:51:38
It's valid criticism. So where do we think that lands
00:51:41
on this all knowing list here? I believe Some Like It Hot
00:51:45
actually does appear on a lot of like top 100 movies ever made
00:51:49
type lists. I would not put it at the top of
00:51:52
our list right now. It is a fantastic piece of
00:51:56
filmmaking. It's, it's, I don't think we're
00:51:58
trying to write things based on like influential like, because
00:52:01
that would just favor certain points in history, you know?
00:52:05
I'm I'm picturing this just on the other side of that Hot Fuzz
00:52:10
dividing line. So above hot.
00:52:12
Fuzz. Yeah, maybe in between Hot Fuzz
00:52:15
and Angel Heart. I I like that like some Like a
00:52:19
Hot is an important movie that you should watch and is super
00:52:24
memorable, but it does have more obvious flaws for what it was
00:52:29
going for. I mean, these 80s movies in the
00:52:31
middle of the list right now, like they're not flawless.
00:52:33
They're not, they're very goofy and full of tropes, but like
00:52:37
they adhere to the tropes correctly and they're earnest
00:52:40
about it. Where Some like a Hot was going
00:52:42
for a thing and mostly nailed it, but did kind of lose me in
00:52:45
the middle. So I think above the Hot Fuzz
00:52:46
line it just cleared that gap. Yeah, yeah, it jumped the
00:52:51
Springfield Gorge. It jumped the Springfield Gorge.
00:52:53
There you go. OK, Frank, we've got 5 minutes
00:52:57
left in our scheduled time. Do you want to try to fit in one
00:52:59
more one more list item? Yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:53:03
Let's do it. Let's do it.
00:53:04
Spin that wheel #500 even #500 OK #502's Geostorm.
00:53:17
Geostorm sucks. What?
00:53:20
What is Geostorm? Geostorm.
00:53:24
Is a science fiction film starring Gerard Butler deep into
00:53:28
the part of his career where he just makes obvious trash and
00:53:31
gets paid for doing it. It's The premise is oddly
00:53:35
complicated. You start off being told that at
00:53:38
some point the world became engulfed, just like the regular
00:53:40
world became engulfed by natural disasters that was.
00:53:45
That was just funny, just like the regular world.
00:53:48
You know, not a, not a cool, interesting version of the
00:53:51
world, just ours that became engulfed in natural disasters.
00:53:55
And so the government, led by Gerard Butler, who's a science
00:53:58
man, built a globe spanning grid of satellites in order to
00:54:05
control the weather. But all of this happened before
00:54:07
the movie started. OK, so nothing interesting
00:54:11
happens in the movie. Hey, maybe something happens on
00:54:14
the way to building a satellite. No, nothing else.
00:54:18
So Gerard Butler, he's like your classic I'm a science man, but
00:54:22
I'm also a cool man, man. So like, he doesn't listen to
00:54:25
authority and he yells at people and gets fired.
00:54:28
Yeah. That's what men do.
00:54:30
That's what men do. And then when the story picks up
00:54:33
in the present day, it's like everything's fine, the world
00:54:36
works correctly, but somebody starts sabotaging the satellite
00:54:40
grid to 'cause these completely insane weather spikes in really
00:54:45
limited areas that last for a few minutes at a time.
00:54:48
So like there's a news report all of a sudden that in the
00:54:50
middle of the like desert in Iraq, a bunch of people froze to
00:54:55
death in like 5 seconds because this massive weather malfunction
00:54:59
took place. And then they cut to somebody in
00:55:02
Hong Kong or something and like lava erupts onto the street
00:55:07
because it just gets super heated or something.
00:55:08
So. It's kind of like a modern
00:55:10
disaster movie. It's sort of is, but not really
00:55:15
because it doesn't, it doesn't linger on any of these moments
00:55:19
and ends up being more of like a conspiratorial, like who's
00:55:22
behind this kind of story. It's like a world in peril
00:55:25
narrative, but it's not a traditional like disaster movie.
00:55:29
How do we escape a live kind of plot?
00:55:30
It's just how do we turn off the bad people pressing these
00:55:33
buttons? OK, but generally speaking you
00:55:40
do not love Geostorm. Geostorm is unrepentant garbage.
00:55:48
There is a dynamic between the two brothers in the movie
00:55:52
because Gerard Butler has a younger brother who's like the
00:55:55
more cool headed one that still works for the company that
00:55:59
Gerard Butler got fired from. And they try to play up their
00:56:02
relationship in this strange way in the middle of the movie where
00:56:06
Butler knows that all of their communications are being, like,
00:56:09
surveilled by whoever's doing this.
00:56:11
And so he has to talk to his brother in some weird, like,
00:56:13
made-up code from when they were kids.
00:56:16
But the code is really stupid. It's like, only listen to every
00:56:20
fourth word that I say. So they have this whole
00:56:23
conversation, but then he, like, somehow knows to play back every
00:56:26
fourth word. And it's just Gerard Butler
00:56:27
going like the government is behind this that.
00:56:32
Would be so hard to do in practice.
00:56:36
Like to actually think about like to string together a
00:56:40
sentence that makes sense where the fourth word of what?
00:56:45
Like what? How do you know when the
00:56:47
sentence breaks and you and you start over at 1:00 to get to the
00:56:50
4th? Word.
00:56:51
It's just every fourth word until he's done talking.
00:56:54
Oh my. Gosh, and he does like, write it
00:56:56
down first. Butler's not improvising this.
00:57:00
Oh, OK, I thought he was. That was how I was picturing it.
00:57:02
I'm like, that's impossible. I think he writes it down.
00:57:04
Phantom of the Opera, I don't think you can do that.
00:57:07
The opera. But also he's having a
00:57:11
conversation. So like, how did he, right?
00:57:14
I don't know. It's dumb.
00:57:15
The movie's dumb, right? It's straight to the bottom.
00:57:17
I'll say it Geostorm. Under 48 hours.
00:57:20
Under 48 hours it's just boring and stupid.
00:57:24
OK. Should we do one more to to
00:57:25
round this out and and on maybe a good one?
00:57:28
That would give us 10 movies for this episode, right?
00:57:30
Yeah. OK, yeah, let's do one more spin
00:57:33
all. Right spinning that wheel and it
00:57:37
is 719 seven 19719. OK #719 is Kingsman the golden
00:57:48
circle? Oh God, bottom Zero.
00:57:50
Hate that movie. Is this the second one?
00:57:57
I believe so. That movie frustrates me.
00:58:00
I really strongly dislike it. I'm going to put it below Geo
00:58:03
Storm. Straight to the bottom.
00:58:05
Let's do one more. All right #806 did we get like
00:58:13
eight O 7 earlier? I feel like we were really close
00:58:15
to this. No, we already got eight O 6
00:58:18
today that was made in black. Oh wow, this number generator
00:58:22
kind of sucks. Thanks.
00:58:24
Google, that's awesome. Do we get a free space when that
00:58:29
happens or do we just? Have to know, right?
00:58:31
Yeah. How does that work?
00:58:32
OK, we're going to do 932. OK.
00:58:36
I'm not even sorry to people that like that Kingsman movie.
00:58:40
It's bad. You shouldn't like it.
00:58:41
Change your mind. Shouldn't like it, You should
00:58:43
feel bad. OK, I'm all right with this one.
00:58:46
Number 932 alphabetically is the 1998 film Out of Sight starring
00:58:51
George Clooney. Oh, is this the one that's it's
00:58:56
the same director as the Ocean's films?
00:58:59
Yes, it feels like a proto Ocean's 11 movie.
00:59:03
Like the character's not the same, but like, it's still just
00:59:05
George Clooney and it kind of has a similar quality to it.
00:59:08
Yeah, yeah, no, that's a fine movie.
00:59:11
I I definitely don't have much to say about that one, but
00:59:15
that's kind of exactly what it is.
00:59:17
That that's how somebody pitched it to me.
00:59:18
It was actually our cousin. He was like, hey, have you seen
00:59:20
this? And I was like, no.
00:59:21
And then we threw it on and I was like, OK, cool.
00:59:25
That was a film. Thank you.
00:59:27
That's how we speak to each other.
00:59:29
It's very formal. Regards.
00:59:36
Yeah, out of sight. I definitely don't like it more
00:59:39
than the like original Ocean's 11, but it's a very solid crime
00:59:44
movie with like a comedic undertone carried by a couple of
00:59:48
strong performances. It's it's George Clooney
00:59:52
opposite Angelina Jolie. Maybe I could be?
00:59:58
Let's play the looking it up music.
01:00:02
Yeah, you tell me. I was wrong.
01:00:06
It's Jennifer Lopez. Jlo OK, cool.
01:00:10
I almost said that I don't know why I got those two confused in
01:00:12
my head. I was like, certainly not Jenny
01:00:14
from the block. But then it's like, no, that was
01:00:15
yeah, that was it. Let.
01:00:16
Me say she was from the block. She'd go and from out of sight.
01:00:19
They don't call her Jenny from out of sight, but they could.
01:00:21
They could, they might, they will.
01:00:26
I'm thinking out of sight, maybe in between Hercules and Big
01:00:33
Short. Does that feel appropriate?
01:00:36
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. I would say The Big Short is our
01:00:39
other dividing line for like movies that are just roughly
01:00:43
good. Yeah, Yeah, that's kind of
01:00:45
that's like the gatekeeper for like you're OK, we'll let you
01:00:48
in. Like, like Hot Fuzz is like for,
01:00:51
you know, to beat Hot Fuzz, you have to be like a great movie,
01:00:54
just broadly speaking. And to beat Big Short, you have
01:00:56
to be what I would call like a good movie that is not obviously
01:01:00
dragged down by some flaw. It'll be really interesting to
01:01:04
see if anything gets below Kingsman 2.
01:01:09
That's how much I dislike that movie.
01:01:12
There's an entry on there that implies that.
01:01:13
I also saw Kingsman 2, but I have 0 memory of it.
01:01:16
I didn't even like the first one, I thought it was tacky.
01:01:19
Yeah, yeah, totally. And and that Oh my gosh.
01:01:23
Then his most recent movie to the one they did with
01:01:28
Henrikaville and I can't remember her name at the moment
01:01:32
but. Oh, oh, no, I know this one.
01:01:35
Bryce Dallas Howard. Bryce Dallas Howard, it was also
01:01:38
awful. And then the twist at the end of
01:01:40
that movie is that it's like also Loki, A Kingsman movie.
01:01:44
And I was like, get me the hell out of here.
01:01:45
Why did I do this to myself again like.
01:01:49
Fool me 3 or 4 times. Yeah, jeez Louise.
01:01:54
Yeah, so out of sight. I'm firmly in agreement that it
01:01:59
goes probably above Big Short, because Big Short's just
01:02:02
whatever. It's a serviceable movie.
01:02:04
I don't got anything too bad to say about it.
01:02:05
But it doesn't, I don't know. It doesn't land in any
01:02:08
particular spot for me. Yeah, auto site's like solid.
01:02:11
It's kind of like. Good.
01:02:13
Just yeah, good. Fine.
01:02:15
Yeah. Hercules and Porca Rosso and Out
01:02:19
of Sight are are of a similar quality to me.
01:02:21
I feel like they're all good films in specific genres that do
01:02:24
not reinvent the wheel but are just like really solid versions
01:02:28
of what they're aiming for. So maybe below Hercules though.
01:02:33
No, that's what I was thinking. Yeah, like.
01:02:35
Oh, that's what he said. OK.
01:02:36
Yeah, yeah, 'cause Hercules is Hercules is an interesting one
01:02:41
to talk about because it it, it's really good.
01:02:44
But it's like amongst its peers of like fantastic movies, you
01:02:51
know, it's really hard to compare yourself to like a Lion
01:02:55
King or Little Mermaid or Aladdin.
01:02:59
You know, those are, they're just amazing films.
01:03:01
And Hercules is really good too, but it's just not as good as
01:03:04
those ones. Absolutely, and Porca Rosa is
01:03:06
that but for Studio Ghibli where like in a bubble, fantastic, but
01:03:11
in one complete exhaustive list of every movie ever made ranked
01:03:14
from best to worst, it just obviously has to go below the
01:03:17
other movies from that same series that are clearly doing
01:03:21
that but better. Yeah, yeah, totally.
01:03:25
Yeah, I feel, I feel pretty good about what we what we added to
01:03:28
this list today. We had much better luck.
01:03:30
Our first episode was a disaster.
01:03:32
It was movies that. I liked it too.
01:03:34
I, I, yeah, yeah, It was fun. We got off to a rocky star, but
01:03:38
that was that was engaging. For me, very entertaining
01:03:40
conversation, but today was more like just doing the work.
01:03:44
Actually had to kind of like parse some difficult rankings.
01:03:47
But you know, there's a reason why we were elected to do this
01:03:51
job. Yeah, yeah, somebody had to do
01:03:54
it. Cash money.
01:03:56
Yeah, what? We're not getting paid for this.
01:04:01
Oh, somebody. Once we're done.
01:04:04
Once we're done, somebody. Surely will.
01:04:06
Ask for this in exchange for money.
01:04:09
And we will ransom it for at least a few dollars.
01:04:14
Something some amount of cents and and monies.
01:04:20
All right, well, that's going to do it.
01:04:21
Frank. Thanks for sitting down with me
01:04:22
again. That's episode 2 ranking every
01:04:24
movie ever made. Our list is now the top 21
01:04:27
movies, but obviously we've got thousands more to go.
01:04:30
So join us next time and join us in two weeks when we are back
01:04:34
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01:04:36
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01:04:40
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01:04:42
Meet Your Double Feature. Frank, anything specific to plug
01:04:45
or are we good? Hey editor Thomas here with a
01:04:48
quick clarification. Frank is about to start plugging
01:04:51
his feature film Nate and Mariah in Venice, which he Co produced
01:04:54
and was the cinematographer for. But at the time of this
01:04:57
recording the film was not yet available to stream, whereas now
01:05:00
it is. You can rent or purchase the
01:05:02
film now on Amazon Prime Video by following the link in the
01:05:06
description for this episode. So if you were interested please
01:05:08
go check it out. We also did an interview
01:05:10
recently with Austin Balke, the writer director for the film, so
01:05:13
feel free to check out that as well.
01:05:15
Just wanted to add that clarification.
01:05:17
Now back to whatever we were saying.
01:05:20
Nate Ryan Venice is, you know, on this list.
01:05:26
It it'll definitely find its way onto this list at some point,
01:05:29
so. And it might go suspiciously
01:05:30
high up the list. Suspiciously high.
01:05:32
I wonder why number? One, no.
01:05:35
I mean, it's not better than men in black.
01:05:39
I'll tell you right now how you're supposed to beat up men
01:05:41
in black. Something Men in Black is really
01:05:44
good, but it's it's not the best movie ever made.
01:05:46
So something will, I mean, we knock, we knocked the tech of
01:05:49
the clones down to spaces today, which I didn't think that was
01:05:51
possible, but we did. That's true.
01:05:53
I thought that was going to be there till the end of time.
01:05:56
You're right. Yeah.
01:05:57
So, all right, anything can happen.
01:06:00
It's a dangerous list out there. But we're going to release it,
01:06:04
the whole thing. The whole thing because people
01:06:07
need to see people want to see it.
01:06:08
People want to see there'll be consequences.
01:06:15
Some movies on our alphabetical list show up multiple times.
01:06:18
Actually multiple times. There'd be a lot on there.
01:06:22
It's. Like if we're trying to find one
01:06:24
movie, you'd be like, wow, it really shows up a lot.
01:06:27
Just kind of parse through all these other it's the same thing
01:06:29
over and over again on here. All right, that's gonna do it.
01:06:33
Thank you so much for listening. And we will see you next time on
01:06:36
Meet Your Double Feature.