Thomas and Frank talk about box office bombs and home video hits in their latest set of "forgotten 90s" movie reviews.
First, Frank reviews "The Wrong Guy" (1997). Then, Thomas reviews "Cutthroat Island" (1995).
It's a bombastic 90s Double Feature, and it starts right now!
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(00:00) Intro
(00:50) The Wrong Guy (1997)
(35:07) Cutthroat Island (1995)
(01:15:28) Final Scores and Wrap-Up
(01:31:09) Outro
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Tonight on Meet Your Double feature, Nelson Hibbert thinks
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he's been framed for murder, but the police already have the real
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killer in their sights. Hijinks and Hilarity ensue as
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Nelson tries to flee the country in the wrong guy.
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Then Morgan Adams searches for her grandfather's hidden
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treasure, but evil pirates and the British Navy conspire to
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reach it first. Swashbuckling action ensues in
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Cutthroat Island. It's a bombastic 90s double
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feature, and it starts right now.
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Hello and welcome to Meet Your Double Feature, a double-blind
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movie review podcast. My name is Thomas, joined as
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always by my brother Frank. Frank, how are you?
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Excited to be here. Excited to be here.
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He says that every time, so he must mean it.
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If you've never listened to our show before, just throw you
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under the bus as soon as we start.
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No. Anyway, no, we're excited.
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It's real. It's just, there's no other way
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to say it. There's no other way.
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There's no other way. There's not other words for
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that, there's just one. Anyway, if you've never listened
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to Beat Your Double Feature before, the way our show works
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is that we're going to give you 2 back-to-back movie reviews
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tonight. Frank and I have both selected a
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movie for the other to watch that neither of us had seen
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previously, but that we think that the other person would
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like. So we're going to talk about
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those two films tonight, give each one a score out of 10, and
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whoever gave the better blind movie recommendation is declared
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the winner for the episode. We also have been keeping track
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of scores throughout Season 1, which is what we're calling this
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string of episodes now about 90s films.
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And we're actually, this is the penultimate episode, Frank.
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After tonight, we'll pick one more pair of films.
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And then after we review those, we'll have like a Season 1
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winner. Yeah, it's going to be me.
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I think we already decided that off camera, you know, like.
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Pretty sure you asked me to watch Cutthroat Island for
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tonight, so we'll see how that affects the scoring.
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Did you like it? We'll find out after our
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intermission because you're going first with the film.
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I asked you to watch 1997 the wrong guy.
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So I I say this almost every time.
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I don't exactly remember what stood out about this movie to
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me. Again, I haven't seen it, but I
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think I was just hoping to at some point in this first season
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give you like a straight up comedy to watch because we've
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done comedy drama a couple of times, but not just like
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straight up comedy. And this one, I've never heard
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of it. A lot of people seem to like it,
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so curious how it turned out. Yeah, this this is definitely
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the first just traditional comedy film we've done on the
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show, which I think it's going to make it a little difficult to
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talk about and and review because it's it's just it's the
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type of film where it is just it has its basic premise.
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And then from there it is a series of gags.
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But I will say right off the top that it is funny.
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It it's like which is a good a good sign.
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Like for a comedy film. No, but this one is I feel like
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it almost fits the bill the most for kind of what was part of the
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original premise for this first season of forgotten 90s films.
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I feel like this is like exactly that.
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This is like a film that like was a Canadian film.
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It was a directive video release.
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So. Oh, interesting.
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Yeah. This did not have a theatrical
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release, so it probably did not have a large audience, like when
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it was originally made. And And, you know, people would
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have really only seen this, like if they saw it at like a local
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video store, presumably. But it is sort of similar to how
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like there will be like SNL performers that will like then
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make movies based on their characters from SNL sometimes.
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Oh gosh, yeah, there's like a dozen of those.
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Yeah, exactly. This is almost like that, but
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for the Canadian sketch comedy show The Kids in the Hall.
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OK, I did know that it was Dave Foley.
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I don't really know Kids in the Hall, but I just I know that
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name. So that tracks with what I
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expected. Would you say just ballpark, is
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this a better effort than some of those?
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Is it better than Night at the Roxbury?
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Oh. Man, Night at Roxbury is such an
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interesting one to bring up because that movie is
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objectively very bad, but I I do have sort of a soft spot for it.
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Yeah, well, those are the two kinds of ways to succeed with
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comedy. Like, you can make a genuinely
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well crafted comedy, or you can kind of like bubble your way
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through a bad one that ends up being funny in ways you maybe
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didn't intend. This one is actually like quite
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competent. It's definitely better than A
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Night at the Roxbury, which to me is what makes it feel like an
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actual hidden gem of this era in a way.
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Because I from what I'm not super familiar with Kids in the
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Hall either, but from what I understand, they were a pretty
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influential like sketch comedy group that maybe did not like
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reach the level of prominence as some other ones or, or similar
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types of like sketch comedy shows.
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But yeah, the the lead in this film, like you said, is Dave
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Foley. He was also one of the main
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writers personally, and maybe some other people as well would
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be most familiar with him as the voice of Flick from Bug's Life.
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Oh. I did not know that.
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Oh OK, now I can picture the voice so that helps.
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He has a very distinctive voice and like I've always thought
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that about like especially about that character flick, like he
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has a really good kind of like like he always plays these kind
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of like meek characters, but his voice, especially in Bug's Life,
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sort of has that like kind of heroic undertone to it.
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So like I kind of recognized his voice right away when this movie
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started. And so and, and I feel like he
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really carries the movie with his like comedic performance.
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I guess the premise of the film, it's it's a really, this is one
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of my first notes here too. It's it's, it's like a really
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fun premise. And I, I think it was from what
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I read, it was like expanded on from like a bit that Dave Foley
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had written for the Kids in the Hall show.
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Essentially, it's our lead character gets into an argument
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with his boss because he was supposed to get promoted, but
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then he gives it to some other guy and it's the way that this
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is revealed. I think this is going to be
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there's going to be a good amount of this review of just me
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retelling jokes from the movie, but there's.
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Some good ones there. I like that you tell me the
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funny and I'll be like but. But it's the reason he gets
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passed over for the promotion because it's like revealed that
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he's like dating the boss's daughter.
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So he thinks he's like a shoe in for this promotion, but then the
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boss gives it to this other guy and he's like, yeah, you're
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dating my daughter, but he's dating my other daughter.
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And she's my favorite and. So.
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That's like gives it to the other guy.
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See. That's funny.
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It is funny. And so like, they're in this
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like meeting and, you know, Dave Foley's character, he's like, he
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gets so mad. He's like, I am going to kill
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you. And then, you know, he, he like
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storms out and then like later he comes back into his boss's
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office and he's like, you know, ready to like chew him out and
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like stand up for himself. And then like his boss has like
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a knife in his back And they fully like tries to like pull it
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out and gets his, the blood all over him.
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And then he runs away thinking that people are going to suspect
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him of having killed his boss. But then like the immediate next
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scene is like the police, like watching the security footage
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and they're just like, so who's that guy that found the body and
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then ran away? So like immediately they just
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like like he thinks he's on the run, but they know right away
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that it's not him. And so and that's the rest of
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the movie. I mean, it's just like it's it's
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him running away. And then there's like the person
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that actually murdered his boss was somebody that was hired by
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the other guy who actually got the promotion.
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And so that guy is like actually running away from the police.
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And Dave Foley keeps like, inadvertently running into him.
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So that guy thinks that Dave Foley is like chasing him.
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See, that's like scripted comedy.
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That's like funny on paper comedy.
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It's funny on paper and it's and it's funny on screen too,
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because like they they brought in like some great performers
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like for this too, because one of my favorite parts is the the
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lead detective that's like on the case is played by David
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Higgins, who I guess you and I would probably be most familiar
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with him as the neighbor Craig on Malcolm in the Middle.
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Oh OK, You know what's weird? My movie has a Malcolm in the
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Middle connection. Oh, really?
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Oh, great. That's a good show.
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That's a really good show, actually.
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Sorry, Malcolm in the Middle episode of the podcast.
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Yeah, yeah, they're bringing it back.
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By the way, They're they're rebooting Malcolm in the Middle.
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Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. This episode brought to you by
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NBC I. Think it's on.
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I think it's on Disney. Oh, OK, whatever, Continue.
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Whatever. But he's hilarious.
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I mean, he's he's, he's always, yeah, he's funny on Malcolm in
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the Middle as well. But he's, he's honestly one of
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the best parts of this movie. Because this, this actually ties
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into the discussion we had about the prophecy where I was talking
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about like, like movie detectives, you know, and like
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how how they go about things and like just are seemingly doing
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whatever they want. Because his whole character
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throughout this movie is like, he just doesn't really care.
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And he keeps trying to like, like, he keeps going to like,
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restaurants and like strip clubs and kind of trying to play it
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off like he's investigating this case.
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Like, he's like, well, we'll have to get into the killer's
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mind. So let's go see what he ate at
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this restaurant over here. Yeah.
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That is good. And I'm like, this is what I'm
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talking about. This is like, there's no like,
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like how does this work if you're like a detective?
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Like I really am curious as to what the day-to-day for an
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actual like police detective would be.
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Because this is what movies make it seem like is they they can
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just go do whatever they want and play it off like they're,
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you know. Investigating movie detectives
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are like simultaneously working 24/7 in a way that feels
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impossible while also doing whatever they want at their own
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speed all the time. It's like, I think if you just
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put in like a focused 9 to 5, you'd actually get a lot more
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done. Right.
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Right. Exactly.
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Yeah. He's just like, at one point
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he's just like, man, we're never going to catch this guy.
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Well, I give up. He's just like.
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So that's like that's like the style of humor it is.
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It's kind of hard to place in terms of like comparing it to
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something else, but it it does feel like sort of like that kind
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of sketch almost improv style throughout.
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But it it at the same time as a very like, like you said, it's
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it's it plays well on paper too. It's like a tightly written
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script and it's a good mix of like visual comedy and just like
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dialogue and word play stuff. Is it like is it like a clean
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comedy or is it more like AR rated comedy?
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That is actually a good question because early on this was
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actually a note I had written down is that it feels like a
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family friendly type comedy. And I was and I was kind of
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trying to keep an eye out. Like I don't, I don't know what
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the rating is for this film actually.
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And I don't know if that's different considering it was a
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directive video release either. I I don't know if that got rated
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the same way by like the what is that organization?
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Is that the MP? AM PAAI mean it.
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Would. Have.
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It would have the same system, but it's possible that I don't
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know. Maybe those aren't scrutinized
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as heavily. Who's to say?
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Who could ever know that? Who could?
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There's no way. There's no way.
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To. There's no way to verify.
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Yeah, this was probably like, it was definitely not R rated.
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It was probably PG13 if anything.
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OK, which does feel very 90s again, kind of the like, you
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know, not for children, but like approachable comedy films that
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just don't get made anymore. Like the only room in theatrical
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releases now for comedies usually is like R rated comedies
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because those have more of a niche.
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Yeah, exactly this. This is this is the type of film
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that probably wouldn't be made today unless it was, you know,
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maybe I don't know, even released in a similar format
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where it wasn't getting like a wider release because it it it
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it's a lot of like, you know, that's funny.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. Not a gut busting kind of humor.
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Yeah, yeah, I, I did catch myself laughing out loud a a few
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times throughout it, which is a good sign.
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You know, it, it just kind of maintained that like, like what
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was the like we were talking about Rushmore recently and like
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you mentioned in that episode that one has is more of just
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like a humorous tone as opposed to just like actual like jokes
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that make you laugh out loud. Yeah, Rushmore was just aiming
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for, like, amusing, not so much funny.
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Yes, exactly. This is interesting in that it's
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like that is it's sole intention is is to make its audience
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laugh, but it feels very timely in in a way that like I wouldn't
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mind seeing this type of comedy film like make a comeback.
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I feel like comedy films in general aren't made as much
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anymore at least like traditional ones because a lot
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of films have become like multi hyphenated like a like the fact
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that like Marvel movies have so much of that like kind of shoot
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in comedy. Well, it's part of it is I think
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that people like going to the movies has become a much less
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accessible form of entertainment, both because you
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have decent alternatives at home and because it costs a lot of
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money. So people generally want to or I
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don't know, like this is kind of a chicken in the egg thing
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because movie studios made this, made this move strategically and
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that audience has reacted to it. We're like, you really only feel
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like it's worth going to the theater to see a very theatrical
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type movie, something that's bombastic and loud and
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expensive, whereas a lot of people might just skip a comedy
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and wait for it to be on video anyway.
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Sure, yeah. And even then, I mean, there's
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just such a plethora of of things to watch, even like at
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home streaming, that it would be hard to place where this type of
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like comedy movie would land in that landscape in that it would
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pull eyes towards it as opposed to something else.
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It'd be like a streaming original, maybe like some sort
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of Apple original film of some kind.
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I guess the closest like modern comparison I could have to this
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would be that recent Tim Robinson movie Friendship.
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Yes, yes, exactly. And even Friendship had more of
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an angle to it and that it was playing on like modern indie
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drama tropes while also being like a comedy.
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I think this the wrong guy is like so earnest.
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It just seems like a very like, yeah, come see a funny goofy
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movie. Not a Goofy movie though,
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because that's about a dog. That's that's The Goofy Movie.
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That's the goofy. No, it's actually called A Goofy
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Movie. You're right.
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Actually, that's funnier. I get it now, I understand the
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title. This whole episode, this whole
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happy episode, is just, I was trying to explain how comedy
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works. It's funnier when you explain
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it. They say the thing and then it's
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not what I expected so I could fall.
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Yeah, yeah, it, well, it's interesting though, because when
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I was watching it it and because it it wasn't like a lot of
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modern comedy that people would be more familiar with now where
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it feels like it it's pushing boundaries as far as possible.
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This almost felt like like childish in a way, 'cause it's
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like this is clearly a film for adults, but given how like tame
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the comedy is, it put it in this interesting place, kind of like
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looking back on it, if that makes sense.
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Like when this when this came out in 1997, I don't think it
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would have felt that odd, but like looking back on it and then
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like seeing the trajectory of like more modern comedy films
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and TV. It, it does land in a weird
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place, but I like it. I I like appreciated it for
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being that I think. It sounds like that makes it
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feel like more of a time capsule, like more of a specific
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to that era of filmmaking. And I'm sure visually that's
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reinforced too. Like 90s films are in a very
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recognizable point in time filmmaking wise because it's
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just like where technology had reached a certain point but had
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not become like we didn't have like all-encompassing CG touch
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ups on films. We didn't have that kind of like
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modern desaturated look. It was just like the tail end of
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like purely almost analog filmmaking.
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Yeah, or almost kind of like the perfect intersection between
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that analog style and more modern digital style, 'cause you
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were getting sort of a blend of both during that era and even
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more so into like the later 90s, which was interesting for the
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time. And I feel that's why, like I
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said at the beginning, I, I feel like this one really fits the
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idea that we had for this season of like what's just like a
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movie? Because like there was so there,
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you could kind of come out with anything in that time.
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And, and it could, the reach it would have in terms of finding
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an audience was, was really varied, which is still always
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been true. But like, it's, I feel like
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especially in the 90s, there was stuff like this that was like
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actually a sort of hidden gem that maybe fewer, very few
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people seen, you know, similar to like that's, that's what I
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think the the kids in the hall comedy group is as well.
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I think, I think they probably have a very dedicated fan base,
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but they're not, you know, especially being like a Canadian
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comedy group too, Like they might not have the same audience
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as like a even like a mad TV or something, you know, comparable
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to that. Yeah, definitely in the, you
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know, as viewers in the US would would know them much more
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sparsely. I think maybe even in Canada
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they probably have a stronger like home based audience.
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But it sounds like even there it didn't go theatrical, right.
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It just was a home release even in its original market.
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Yeah, yeah, which is interesting, you know, but that
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again, that's kind of what I appreciate about it too.
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It's just like it this because because I you know, I was doing
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some reading about it afterwards and like they Foley and the
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other writers of the film, like they're very proud of it.
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They've said like they they think this is one of their best
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works that they've done. Oh, wow.
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Yeah, yeah. And I don't disagree.
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I mean, like it it's it's you know, again, it's hard to kind
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of get into without just like repeating all the jokes.
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But like I was mentioning a little bit before it it I'm, I'm
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always a big fan of like, like visual comedy that sort of like
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Chaplain esque presentation or it's almost, it almost feels
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like Looney Tunes at times as well.
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Oh yeah, yeah, that's that's probably the most easy to
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understand connection for a lot of audiences.
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Just like cartoon logic for like visual gags.
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Yeah, yeah. There's just one great scene I'm
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thinking of where like, you know, he's on the run and
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there's like a train coming and he he kind of climbs up onto
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this thing and he's like getting ready to like jump.
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On the train as as it's going by and it just builds it up for so
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long, you know, cuz you're just like, how is this going to like
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in your mind? You're like, how is this going
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to go wrong for him? He's going to jump onto the
00:20:34
strain like what's going to happen?
00:20:36
And as the train's going by, he like jumps into like an open
00:20:41
like boxcar and then just rolls through and goes out the other
00:20:45
side of the train. And it's just like that to me,
00:20:51
that's like, that's like like Looney Tunes right there.
00:20:53
It's just like it's set it up in a way where you're anticipating
00:20:56
something and then it's still sort of subverted expectations
00:20:59
because it's like, well, that's not what I thought was going to
00:21:01
happen When he would like jump on.
00:21:04
And then it's like the gag keeps going from there because then
00:21:06
he's like chasing the train and like trying to grab onto it.
00:21:10
And then he like after like a bunch of effort, he finally
00:21:13
does. And then when he finally does
00:21:15
it, the train just comes to a stop anyway.
00:21:16
So he could have just gone. That is such an underappreciated
00:21:23
type of comedy like you're saying, and that it's not, I
00:21:26
think it doesn't play as well in advertising.
00:21:28
Like I think those comedies you're talking about that are a
00:21:30
little bit more like boundary pushing.
00:21:32
That's how you can sell that content to an audience at a
00:21:35
glance. But it's so much more of a buy
00:21:37
in to even sit down to start watching something like this
00:21:40
where the jokes are a little more slow to be built up and
00:21:43
then kind of pay off in a different way.
00:21:45
Yeah, because there's there's, there's no, I guess like
00:21:49
elevator pitch to audiences in a sense with this type of movie.
00:21:53
It's just like, it's a funny movie.
00:21:55
It's a funny guy doing funny things, funny movie, you know,
00:21:58
like. You guys in the mood for one of
00:22:00
those funny guy movies? I got just the thing.
00:22:03
Comedy. Comedy.
00:22:10
That did not register as words. To me, well, it's somebody who's
00:22:15
so unfamiliar, you see, with comedy.
00:22:17
They don't even know how to pronounce it now that you've
00:22:19
explained it. Now it's where we go.
00:22:21
Exactly. That's how it works.
00:22:24
Explain it until it's not at all funny anymore.
00:22:27
Hey, that's how it works. Welcome back to how funny with
00:22:30
not how funny, but like how is it funny?
00:22:33
See the junk is like took words out.
00:22:38
Yeah, so, so I I, like I said, I almost don't even know how else
00:22:43
to describe the film really, because it's just like the the
00:22:48
narrative is so simple. He for almost the entire runtime
00:22:52
of of the film, like he thinks he's on the run.
00:22:56
He eventually like makes his way to this like small town where he
00:23:01
meets Jennifer Tilley, who I'm sure anyone who heard her voice
00:23:09
would recognize it instantly. I don't know if you if you are
00:23:13
just. I know the name and I know I
00:23:15
know which that's what stuff she's been in, but I can't
00:23:17
recall any of it right now so. She's Mike Wazowski's girlfriend
00:23:21
from Monsters Inc. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:23:24
OK, OK. That place is it.
00:23:26
Yes, yes, I think that'll probably help a lot of people.
00:23:29
But she she has an extremely distinctive, like breathy.
00:23:32
She's just like she's done. She's done a lot of dramatic
00:23:35
roles too. But she's a great comedic actor.
00:23:37
And her character was kind of reminding me of, oh, now I'm
00:23:41
forgetting this actor's name. I think it's, is it Paul Rubens?
00:23:44
You remember rat race? Paul Rubens is Pee Wee Herman.
00:23:48
Oh, OK, so. Who are you thinking of?
00:23:51
Who is it? So are you thinking of Mr. Bean?
00:23:53
Yes. Thank you.
00:23:53
Mr. Bean? Yeah, Yeah.
00:23:54
That's that's Rowan Atkinson. Rowan Atkinson?
00:23:56
Yes. OK.
00:23:57
So his character in Rat Race who had like narcolepsy, it's it's
00:24:01
the same thing here for Jennifer Tilly, where like she picks him
00:24:06
up hitch hiking on the road and then she just like falls asleep
00:24:09
and like crashes their car. And then she you know, she wakes
00:24:15
up and she's like, oh, I had, you know, I had one of my spells
00:24:17
again. And he's like, she's like, yeah,
00:24:19
let me, you know, take you into town.
00:24:20
And he's like, do you want me to drive?
00:24:21
And she's like, no, don't be silly.
00:24:22
You don't know the way. And then she just drives away.
00:24:24
So. Like.
00:24:28
So yeah, there's a lot of that. It's just it's just one of those
00:24:30
like jokes per minute type movies.
00:24:33
Absolutely. And and.
00:24:34
A classic kind of like almost road trip style premise.
00:24:37
Like there's a lot of getting from A to B type comedy which is
00:24:40
very similar to several things. But the first thing that comes
00:24:43
to mind for me is like Dumb and Dumber.
00:24:45
Oh, totally that. That's a good comparison
00:24:47
actually, in both in terms of like the time period and like
00:24:50
style of comedy. I would guess too, like between
00:24:54
those two Dumb and Dumber in this movie and and both movies,
00:24:58
again, like a lot of it is carried by the cast, you know,
00:25:01
and like their performances because like Dave Foley and
00:25:06
Jennifer Tilley have like really great chemistry, even though she
00:25:09
shows up more so in the later half of the film.
00:25:12
And and like I said, that lead detective, like he was probably
00:25:14
just my favorite part. Like it's just like his his bit
00:25:17
was so redundant, but it like never got old.
00:25:20
They just kept finding new ways to.
00:25:24
To like. I don't know, show his like
00:25:27
laziness or ineptitude. Well, it's good when you can
00:25:30
like. Prime the audience for a certain
00:25:32
bit, because like you said, when that's almost the Looney Tune
00:25:34
style as well is It's not that the joke comes out of nowhere,
00:25:37
it's that they give you just enough of a pause that you know
00:25:40
what you assume the joke is and they let you start to fill it in
00:25:43
just so they can undercut it in a different way.
00:25:45
Yes, yes. Exactly.
00:25:47
Exactly which so so this like I understand why they're so proud
00:25:51
of this film because they should be.
00:25:53
It works on a lot of levels and it's like a mix of different
00:25:58
comedic styles that that all blend together really well too.
00:26:02
Like, you know, I I I described the whole train bit, but like
00:26:04
one of my favorite parts actually is, is the it's the
00:26:09
climax of the film. So I guess we can just get into
00:26:12
to that. Basically, they're next
00:26:14
spoilers. Yes, they're next spoilers for
00:26:17
this very simple comedy premise, but you.
00:26:21
Don't want to ruin it for anybody.
00:26:22
Yeah, yeah. He, he eventually him and
00:26:26
Jennifer Tilley, they'd like get caught by like the bad guy, the
00:26:29
guy that actually killed his boss, you know, and he's like
00:26:33
holding them hostage. And he's like talking to the
00:26:35
lead detective and like the police.
00:26:37
And he's like telling them what he wants, like in in exchange
00:26:40
for the hostages. And he's like listing stuff off.
00:26:43
And then like Dave Foley's like next to him and he just kind of
00:26:45
chimes in. He's like, and ask for a
00:26:46
helicopter. And the guy he's just like kind
00:26:48
of absent mindedly goes like and a helicopter and he's like,
00:26:51
wait, I don't need help. Why don't, why don't I need a
00:26:52
helicopter? And then Dave Foley's like,
00:26:54
well, I just want to ride in one.
00:26:59
But then the police, they like, that's like the one thing that
00:27:03
they, like, capitulate to. They're just like immediately,
00:27:06
like right away. They're like, all right, your
00:27:08
helicopter's on the way. And he's like, no, no, no, I
00:27:09
don't, I don't need a helicopter.
00:27:11
And they're like, it's too late. It's already on the way.
00:27:12
See. That's awesome because that's.
00:27:15
Like, again, plays with expectations cause in any
00:27:18
hostage movie, they always get to the port of asking for a
00:27:22
helicopter that, you know, as the audience is never going to
00:27:24
arrive because it's like, what would that even look like?
00:27:27
Like, even in a real hostage negotiation, they almost never
00:27:29
get away. Yeah.
00:27:30
Because they always want like, well, I need a safe ride to the
00:27:33
airport and then I'm flying to another country and they just
00:27:35
never get to that point. So that's awesome that they're
00:27:38
just like, oh, here it is, here's your helicopter.
00:27:40
They just keep. It's like they're almost trying
00:27:42
to like. Force it on him.
00:27:43
At that point, he's like, I told you, I don't want the helicopter
00:27:47
and like, well, we'll cancel the helicopter if you let the
00:27:49
hostage. So it's just like.
00:27:53
That's really funny. This is right up our alley.
00:27:55
I think this is our our speed of comedy for sure.
00:27:59
It totally is. And yeah, yeah, so, and like I
00:28:01
said, that's that's like the end of the film.
00:28:03
But you know, there's other like fun kind of this is this is the
00:28:08
second time this movie's come up on the podcast.
00:28:10
But there's there's like a whole.
00:28:11
They do like a whole It's a Wonderful Life bit where I
00:28:16
swear, I don't know if they recreated it or used the same
00:28:19
set, but at one point when he's in this small town with Jennifer
00:28:23
Tilly, like he gets a job with her dad at like a savings loan
00:28:28
building and they they walk in and it's like literally like the
00:28:33
same set from It's a Wonderful Life.
00:28:36
Oh, really? Yeah.
00:28:38
Like it looks identical. And then they do a whole bit
00:28:41
where like the townspeople are like coming in and they're kind
00:28:44
of recreating that scene where like the townspeople are like
00:28:46
trying to pull all their money out of the bank.
00:28:48
And, and her dad, the owner, he's got, he's like, you know,
00:28:52
he's doing that that whole George Bailey thing.
00:28:53
And he's like, well, you know, we gave you this money so you
00:28:55
could start your business or whatever.
00:28:57
And he's, he's talking to one of the guys in town.
00:28:58
He's like, you know, we gave you that money and then foreclosed
00:29:01
on you because you started a jewellery store.
00:29:02
And that was like a really bad idea.
00:29:09
What is? It with I feel like there's a
00:29:10
lot of comedy people who are tickled by the story of It's A
00:29:15
Wonderful Life because I've only seen a lot of references to it
00:29:18
in comedies. There's a whole SNL skit with
00:29:21
Dana Garvey where he's doing the George Bailey voice and like
00:29:24
they get to what is the end of the actual movie where like the
00:29:26
day is saved. But then he like continues and
00:29:29
he's like, wait a minute, that old Man Potter took all the
00:29:31
money. He's the reason we are in the
00:29:32
situation. And then it just cuts to them
00:29:34
storming his house. Like it's like Frankenstein.
00:29:36
It's like beating the crap out. Of him they're throwing like a.
00:29:39
Like a dummy around the room. I.
00:29:43
Think there's just a lot of people who find that story,
00:29:45
like, amusing in a way that, like, they always try to expand
00:29:47
on. Yeah, yeah, no.
00:29:49
Absolutely. I mean, that's like you and I
00:29:52
watch that movie every year and we always find something new to
00:29:54
like riff on while we're watching it.
00:29:56
I guess that's part of it. It's.
00:29:58
It's a movie that for a certain generation like would they would
00:30:01
see it on TV every holiday season because it was just like
00:30:04
a really common one to put on. And so it's just that like
00:30:06
shared vocabulary, like I'm sure in 97 that it's a wonderful life
00:30:10
bit killed, whereas now some people wouldn't get it.
00:30:12
Oh, which is a shame. I.
00:30:13
Mean. But like I said, it's the second
00:30:15
time because there was also in, you know, the movie that we
00:30:19
watched that I can't remember the name of.
00:30:21
Honestly, I forgot, I don't remember.
00:30:23
Where else this popped up? It was the.
00:30:25
Michael J Fox movie that we Watched.
00:30:27
Oh, Doc Hollywood. Yeah, I wanted to say.
00:30:29
City slickers. That's he's not even in that
00:30:31
movie. That's just he's not even in
00:30:32
that movie. Yeah.
00:30:34
The Billy Crystal movie. Yeah, well.
00:30:36
Mike Wazowski, you know this review is.
00:30:39
More than any we've done so far just turned into Remember this
00:30:41
other movie? Whatever this other movie.
00:30:44
But but I feel like. That is like I kind of knew that
00:30:50
going in because it, it's just, it's, it's that type of movie
00:30:54
and it's like comedy is something that obviously evolves
00:30:57
and inspires other types of comedy.
00:31:00
And I think this is exactly that.
00:31:03
Like I, it, it makes me think of like the Eric Andre show, how I
00:31:11
read recently that like when he was like writing, like the first
00:31:14
season of that show, he was watching Space Coast coast to
00:31:18
coast from Cartoon Network and that was like a huge inspiration
00:31:22
for his show. So I feel like it's just like
00:31:24
you maybe more so than other like genres.
00:31:28
You can kind of see like comedy DNA it throughout other films
00:31:32
and sort of how it's like evolved and inspired other
00:31:35
things. And so this feels like a a
00:31:40
missing link of sorts for that style of comedy.
00:31:44
You know where it That's a great pitch.
00:31:46
Because I think a lot of people who are fans of that kind of
00:31:48
thing will be very curious to watch this one.
00:31:51
Yeah, exactly like it's. It's it's an easy one to
00:31:53
recommend to like if you knew somebody that that already liked
00:31:58
similar types of comedy films, they wouldn't be disappointed by
00:32:01
this one because it's just like I said it, it blends a lot of
00:32:05
different like types and styles of comedy really well.
00:32:08
Like, you know, it has the visual gags.
00:32:09
It has that like sort of word play humor.
00:32:12
There was another that like one of the other ones that just like
00:32:16
caught me off guard and had me laughing out loud was like one
00:32:19
point there's like a truck driver and he's just like
00:32:21
listening to the radio and it's playing, you know, like jazz
00:32:23
music. And then it's kind of that
00:32:25
classic thing where like, you know, the radio DJ comes in
00:32:29
afterwards and he's just like, that was jazz some kind of jazz
00:32:34
it's. Like and then it and then it
00:32:43
leads into like a, you know? Like AI don't know, like a news
00:32:46
report or something that kind of fills in like what Dave Foley's
00:32:48
up to, but it's just like little stuff like that, you know, where
00:32:51
it's just like that kind of like jokes per minute type style
00:32:55
where it's just like you just got to throw a lot of little
00:32:57
things in there. That's awesome.
00:33:00
I so far have not actually gone back and watched any of the
00:33:03
movies I recommended to you for the show.
00:33:05
If there was going to be 1, this would definitely be in
00:33:08
contention. Like, I think maybe after Season
00:33:10
1 is done, I'll go back and watch a couple of them.
00:33:12
But this is like, the easiest sell, like you said, because I
00:33:15
think that listening to it is funny and then going in to watch
00:33:17
it would just be that and more. So I'm on board.
00:33:21
I'm glad you liked it. Yeah.
00:33:22
Yeah. Totally.
00:33:24
Like I said at the beginning, I feel like maybe more so than
00:33:28
than in any other film we've done this season, this, it's the
00:33:32
premise, the best. I think of just like a forgotten
00:33:35
90s movie that that is worth revisiting.
00:33:40
There you go. That is the premise of Season 1.
00:33:43
I, I feel like we can kind of just wrap it there, right?
00:33:46
I mean, I'm sure there's more we could say, but is there any like
00:33:48
specific closing thoughts or should we just end on a solid
00:33:52
thumbs up recommendation for the wrong guy?
00:33:55
Yeah, I think if I. I can get into anything else
00:33:57
when we do the the sort of final wrap up for this one.
00:34:00
But yeah, this very just solid comedy that I appreciated.
00:34:05
Yeah, you know. What this is a wholesome.
00:34:07
Review I feel like a lot of our stuff we're picking things apart
00:34:09
we're making mean jokes we're picking on random artists and
00:34:13
creatives this one good job yeah and again I'll.
00:34:16
I'll get into this a little bit more towards the end, but it's
00:34:18
just like sort of like what I said with Gamera.
00:34:21
When I watch Gamera, it's like this succeeded in exactly what
00:34:25
it was trying to be. That's hard to pick apart 'cause
00:34:30
you're almost rooting for that type of movie, you know?
00:34:32
In that sense, absolutely, especially.
00:34:34
When like this, that's like a smaller release, probably a
00:34:36
lower budget film just made by some earnest comedians.
00:34:40
Like, nothing bad to say, it sounds like.
00:34:42
Yeah, exactly. Yeah.
00:34:43
It wasn't a perfect film, but it was good.
00:34:46
It was very good. Awesome.
00:34:47
Well. With that, I guess we'll head
00:34:49
into our intermission. When we return, I'm going to
00:34:53
talk about the exact opposite of that.
00:34:55
Stay tuned for Cutthroat Island. All
00:35:08
right, coming back. From the other side of the
00:35:10
break, Frank, now I get to talk about the movie you asked me to
00:35:13
watch, 1995 Cutthroat Island. Oh, why did you ask me to watch
00:35:18
Cutthroat Island? You know.
00:35:21
Why? Cuz it's so good a pirate.
00:35:27
If only if. Only it was cuz it was so good.
00:35:30
I think you knew when you picked it that it was like a record box
00:35:33
office bomb, right? I didn't know that.
00:35:35
I I. I knew that that's that's part
00:35:38
of the reason I picked it honestly, because OK, so here's
00:35:40
this is what I this is what I knew about the movie going in.
00:35:43
OK, Your Honor, yes. For the record.
00:35:47
This is why it was interesting to me was because according to
00:35:52
what I saw online, it is almost single handedly the reason that
00:35:57
there was a stretch of time where studios were not making
00:36:00
pirate movies like pirate themed, like swashbuckler
00:36:04
movies. Because they made this one and
00:36:07
it bombed so bad that I guess they just decided like nobody
00:36:12
wants that. Like audiences don't care about
00:36:15
pirates. And it wasn't until 2003 when
00:36:18
the first Pirates of the Caribbean movie came out that I
00:36:22
guess they decided it was OK to make pirate movies again.
00:36:24
Although even that, since then, I think it's only been that
00:36:27
franchise that has really that was sort of a unique.
00:36:30
Win. I do think that audience tastes
00:36:32
for a lot of fantasy and science fiction stuff have always been
00:36:35
tenuous. Like up until Game of Thrones
00:36:37
came out fantasy was a hard sell in general for like film and
00:36:40
television. But then since then it's been a
00:36:41
lot easier. 90s and 2000s though.
00:36:44
Like I get it, cut throat island.
00:36:46
You undersold how big of a of a screw up cutthroat island was.
00:36:49
It at one time was in the Guinness Book of World Records
00:36:52
for being the biggest box office bomb in film history.
00:36:56
Adjusted for inflation, it's still in the top like four or
00:36:59
five and of the ones, sorry, go ahead.
00:37:03
No, I was that's. Awesome.
00:37:04
That's great. Love that for you and.
00:37:10
What I saw was like. It's hard to actually say for
00:37:13
certain, because film budgets are not the most transparent
00:37:16
thing. It's hard to know exactly how
00:37:17
much money was spent on a film, to know how much of a loss it
00:37:19
was. But of the ones commonly cited
00:37:22
as famous bombs, this one made so much less money than all
00:37:25
those other films. Like, it's not that it was the
00:37:28
most expensive and it didn't recoup.
00:37:30
There's examples of films that made $300 million at the box
00:37:33
office but were so expensive that they lost money cuts.
00:37:36
Rhode Island had a box office return of like $18 million, so
00:37:41
much less than everything else on the list.
00:37:44
See this to me? Like when I hear that, I feel
00:37:47
like there's more to this story because I feel like there was a
00:37:49
very similar like circumstance with I always get these two
00:37:55
movies confused. There was it was the Disney
00:37:57
animated film, though. Is was it Treasure Planet?
00:37:59
I think it was Treasure Planet was a Disney animated film that
00:38:03
the creators had been pushing for, for years.
00:38:06
And because of like a falling out they had with some
00:38:09
executives like the advertising and like time that the film was
00:38:15
released, it was like the the company like purposefully buried
00:38:18
the film upon release. And so it was like a box office
00:38:21
failure for that reason. But it was also pirate themed
00:38:24
because it was like a, it was like a space sci-fi.
00:38:26
But it's obviously based on Treasure Island.
00:38:29
That's true there. Is some precedent, even before
00:38:31
cut Third Island that like pirate films had been flopping
00:38:34
for like 20 years, like through the 70s, through the 90s, there
00:38:36
was multiple cases of pirate films not making their money
00:38:39
back. So it was sort of a last straw,
00:38:41
but it was also the worst straw, if that makes sense.
00:38:44
Well, but but I was going. To say more so like in that
00:38:46
point with like Treasure Island, that felt almost intentional.
00:38:50
And I do think or wonder, I should say like with this, this
00:38:53
movie, if there isn't more to that story as to like, like, why
00:38:58
like this bombed so historically bad.
00:39:00
I feel like there's more to that which I haven't looked into.
00:39:03
So there's a lot to it. There's a lot to what colored
00:39:07
people's expectations of the movie, but also things that
00:39:10
affected the end result of what the movie is like.
00:39:12
Treasure Island or Planet Fun animated movie like not great
00:39:16
but you know, fun to watch. Cutthroat Island is a big mess
00:39:18
and it's like a unbelievable mess because of just the
00:39:21
circumstances of how it was produced.
00:39:23
Notably, in addition to being like a record box office bomb,
00:39:26
it collapsed. A film studio called Karelko
00:39:29
Pictures that had been previously had made had produced
00:39:32
like Terminator 2 and the first 3 Rambo movies.
00:39:35
Like a notable film studio that had been struggling already and
00:39:39
and bet everything on rebounding was Cutthroat Island, and it
00:39:43
bombed so hard that they just ceased to exist.
00:39:48
Whoopsie. Yeah, whoopsie.
00:39:50
The reason is the director of the film, Rennie Harlan, whose
00:39:55
name I know but I couldn't tell you what else he's done, was
00:39:58
very invested in the film. He had been wanting to make like
00:40:01
a pirate film his whole life because he likes pirate stories
00:40:03
as a kid. At the time the movie was being
00:40:06
produced, he was married to Geena Davis, who is the star of
00:40:10
the movie. Yes.
00:40:11
He. Wanted.
00:40:12
To get her in the role and essentially argued with Kuroko
00:40:15
Pictures to put her as the lead because he was trying to make a
00:40:18
move for her career to get her out of doing exclusively like
00:40:21
comedies and dramas and try to make her more of like an action
00:40:24
adventure star. Because tonally, Cutthroat
00:40:27
Island is in the same vein as like Pirates of the Caribbean or
00:40:29
The Mummy. Or is it just like an action
00:40:31
adventure movie? And I think he thought that
00:40:33
would be a good role, like boost her stock in Hollywood or
00:40:37
something, which I don't disagree.
00:40:38
Jamie Davis is great. I could see her being great in
00:40:42
that type of role, yeah. You would think so.
00:40:47
It goes on. So this was happening for a long
00:40:50
time leading up to the production was like already
00:40:53
getting set to begin. The other lead in the film, who
00:40:56
in the final version is Matthew Modine, who we just saw or you
00:40:59
just saw in Memphis Belle, which I think is funny. back-to-back
00:41:02
mode. Dean's.
00:41:02
Oh, yeah. OK.
00:41:04
That role. That Matthew Modine plays was
00:41:06
originally supposed to go to Michael Douglas and Michael
00:41:09
Douglas was like invested in the film, but he had two conditions
00:41:12
to get it made. He needed to film it like
00:41:14
immediately because he had other commitments coming up and he had
00:41:18
it in his contract that he his character needed to have equal
00:41:21
screen time to Geena Davis character.
00:41:23
And then at some point in the pre production process, the
00:41:26
script was getting rewritten and it started to focus more and
00:41:29
more on Geena Davis. And it's like, boy, I wonder why
00:41:31
she's the one married to like the writer director.
00:41:34
And so Michael Douglas backed out of the movie and then that
00:41:37
caused a scramble that like, ruined the production because
00:41:41
the director, Renee Harlan, then had to run out and scramble to
00:41:44
find a new lead. And during that time, they had
00:41:47
to start, like, building sets without him.
00:41:49
And they like, finished the script without him.
00:41:51
And by the time he got back and had Matthew Modine ready, he
00:41:53
like, didn't like what he saw and started trying to make
00:41:55
changes while they were already about to start filming.
00:41:57
Big disaster. Also his wife Geena Davis was
00:42:00
trying to get out of the movie, which is like a super funny.
00:42:04
Why though? Because she just.
00:42:07
Was like once Michael Douglas backed out, I think she saw that
00:42:10
it was like the movie was sunk and didn't want to be in it
00:42:13
anymore, but was like forced to stay on because she'd already
00:42:16
been contracted to play the lead.
00:42:18
And so Geena Davis in Cutthroat Island gives one of the worst
00:42:24
acting performances in a major film I've ever seen from an
00:42:27
established actor, to the point where I'm pretty sure she bombed
00:42:30
it on purpose. Oh really?
00:42:34
I can't think of any other. Explanation for how bad every
00:42:37
single line read is for Geena Davis's character.
00:42:40
She's supposed to be a pirate from birth.
00:42:44
She grew up on a pirate ship, her dad was a pirate, she's
00:42:46
taken over the crew of her old dead dad pirate.
00:42:49
And she delivers lines like she works in an accounting office
00:42:53
but still has them written on the page as like kind of pirate
00:42:57
slang. So I can't remember the example
00:43:01
offhand, but she has a line at one point early on where she's
00:43:03
just like them be fair odds don't you think?
00:43:06
And it's a very like piratey phrase, but she just says it's
00:43:08
like them. Be fair odds, don't you think?
00:43:11
And she like, looks at her. Hand.
00:43:13
Argh, argh. Yeah, Metis.
00:43:18
It's abysmal. I think that everything about
00:43:21
Cutthroat Island that doesn't work could have been salvage a
00:43:23
little with a fun lead performance from Geena Davis,
00:43:27
who I'm certain was capable of giving one.
00:43:30
Because she's great and like everything else she's ever been
00:43:32
in. And I don't think it's really
00:43:33
that much of A stretch on her range to be like, play a cool
00:43:37
pirate captain. But she just doesn't act in the
00:43:40
movie. She says her lines, she does a
00:43:42
bunch of stunts and she just does refuses to perform or even
00:43:47
like solidify what her character is.
00:43:49
And it's extremely distracting. And it's seemingly all as a
00:43:53
result of these like behind the scenes issues that affected the
00:43:55
movie before it began. Well, I mean, it sounds like.
00:43:57
Also, if her husband was the director.
00:44:01
So I mean, like, in a lot of ways, that's the director's main
00:44:04
role on set is to communicate with the actors.
00:44:08
So sounds like if she was trying to get out of doing this movie,
00:44:12
like, there may have been, yeah, some kind of communication
00:44:16
breakdown or, or outright disagreement between her and her
00:44:19
husband. Like I don't.
00:44:20
Know it it the thing I looked up to say was married at the time.
00:44:24
I don't know if this like they got divorced soon after or if it
00:44:27
was way later or what the actual impact was on their marriage.
00:44:29
But the movie gets so ruined by the fact that you have to spend
00:44:33
so much time with Geena Davis and she's doing such a bad job.
00:44:35
Like worse than I know she's capable of doing.
00:44:39
She should easily be able to give a like semblance of a
00:44:42
performance as this pirate woman and instead just kind of refuses
00:44:46
to the point where I'm like, this is straight up
00:44:48
unprofessional behavior if that's what happened.
00:44:52
Oh, that's a bummer. That is a bummer.
00:44:54
Because I was hoping it was like, bad for other reasons as
00:44:58
opposed to Davis. I mean, it's interesting, I
00:45:01
guess, if that's actually what happened, it's remarkable.
00:45:04
That a movie that's so visibly expensive, like it's not as
00:45:08
expensive as some of these other historical movie flops, but it's
00:45:11
a big expensive like impressive looking movie.
00:45:14
Like the production design. They film out on real pirate
00:45:17
ships. It looks like 90s Pirates of the
00:45:19
Caribbean which should be like an easy win to be like hey
00:45:23
imagine if Pirates came out in like 1995 and everything about
00:45:26
it sucked. In the mean, imagine Jack
00:45:28
Sparrow just being like Yar I be Johnny Depp like.
00:45:32
It just doesn't doesn't work, that's what.
00:45:36
He says in the movie he's Johnny Depp.
00:45:38
I be Johnny Depp. And they're like, that's not
00:45:40
your line. And he's like, I be Davy Jones
00:45:42
and I'm like, no, Mr. Depp, please.
00:45:46
I'm trying to think if there's any other key details in
00:45:49
addition to those problems. Something I noticed throughout
00:45:52
the film is that given they were in these like impressive
00:45:55
locations with like actually filming on like islands and in
00:45:58
jungles and stuff, I thought that the cinematography in
00:46:00
Cutthroat Island was kind of weak.
00:46:02
And I did learn from reading about it afterwards that at some
00:46:05
point the director, like the first person who was hired, is
00:46:08
like the cinematographer like broke his leg while filming and
00:46:12
had to be replaced, so he's out. In addition to that, the lead
00:46:16
camera operator got into a fight with the director and was fired
00:46:20
and everybody sided with the camera operator.
00:46:22
So like two dozen crew members quit when when the director
00:46:25
fired this camera guy. Wow.
00:46:28
A lot of this, it's sounding more and more like a lot of this
00:46:30
is falling on the director, like he lost control of this
00:46:36
production or was there was a scrutiny.
00:46:39
Literally. Yeah, better than that.
00:46:41
Than that. Do you think the.
00:46:44
The the DP, the cinematographer, do you think he broke his leg on
00:46:48
purpose to to get out of making? The movie, he's just like up in
00:46:53
one. Of those like big camera rigged
00:46:54
chairs and he's just looking down like I could take a fall.
00:46:59
He's an actual pirate. This is not historically
00:47:03
accurate. Like Mr. Harlan.
00:47:06
Peg like Jerry fell off his fell out of the crow's nest and says
00:47:09
he can't film the movie anymore. He says he broke his leg, but
00:47:12
then he looks and he like he broke the wooden leg.
00:47:14
He broke his peg leg. I can't do it.
00:47:17
I gotta go. And then he's just.
00:47:19
Like throw him overboard and then, yeah, it's a pirate scene.
00:47:21
The whole thing is a pirate scene.
00:47:22
You get it. You get.
00:47:23
It we don't need to, we don't need to make this.
00:47:26
An audio drama, you understand the bit.
00:47:30
So yeah, cut to Rhode Island had nothing working in its favor and
00:47:35
the end result is a movie that clearly had a lot of time put
00:47:38
into it and a lot of the work done was very professional and
00:47:40
high quality. But what this leads to is, like,
00:47:43
nothing about the movie is, like, funny, bad, you know,
00:47:46
like, sometimes people try to make something and they're,
00:47:49
like, inept in some way or, like, unable to physically
00:47:52
produce what they wanted it to look like.
00:47:54
So it looks kind of funny. This is just, like, sad.
00:47:57
Yeah. I mean it.
00:47:58
It honestly, I think this would be like, not that anyone would
00:48:03
really care, I guess, but you know, general audiences, they'll
00:48:06
go see a movie and if they don't like it, it's it's I feel like
00:48:10
sometimes hard for them to articulate why, especially if
00:48:13
it's like a big budget film. And I feel like this is a good
00:48:17
example of like looking, like you said, like taking just a big
00:48:21
budget film that has all these moving parts and I guess showing
00:48:26
how difficult it is to still make that work and make a good
00:48:30
film out of it. Like, because it could easily be
00:48:33
this bad all the time or much, much worse even.
00:48:37
Yeah, I mean. That kind of sums up the
00:48:40
production hurdles. I think that a lot of this too
00:48:42
was very public before the movie came out.
00:48:44
Like I think it was a bit of a hot gossip at the time that the
00:48:47
movie was a mess. And so I think in interviews
00:48:49
since Renee Harlan has claimed that the movie is actually
00:48:51
pretty good, but then nobody wanted to see it because they
00:48:53
heard it was a mess. And I got to say, no, the movie
00:48:57
is very bad. That's.
00:48:59
Yeah, well that. I feel like that if if that's
00:49:02
true, then that sort of explains the box office performance
00:49:06
because something performing that badly must have, like you
00:49:09
said, had negative word of mouth going in right, People would at.
00:49:13
Least give it a shot if it's a big budget.
00:49:16
Like I don't know what time I'm I'm guessing this was a summer
00:49:18
blockbuster movie. Given the premise.
00:49:20
I can't imagine people wouldn't at least give that more of a
00:49:23
shot on like, opening weekend and then find out that it's bad.
00:49:26
Yeah, because I could see you could.
00:49:27
Easily cut a trailer for this. That would look exciting.
00:49:30
I imagine if there's enough action sequences in there,
00:49:33
there's a. Lot of impressive stunts.
00:49:34
There is a surprising amount of explosions.
00:49:36
It looks like Michael Bay made this movie.
00:49:38
It's littered with unmotivated explosions.
00:49:41
You know what I mean? Like where you're just like,
00:49:42
wait, what is that? Why did that blow?
00:49:45
Up like there's a bit at one point.
00:49:47
Where I'm going to get into the actual story here in a minute,
00:49:49
but just this jump ahead a little bit.
00:49:51
There's a point where Geena Davis and Matthew Modine are are
00:49:54
trying to escape like the British Navy, very similar to
00:49:56
the opening of like Pirates of the Caribbean one.
00:49:58
And they're riding through Port Royal because we're still in
00:50:00
Port Royal for some reason. It's the same as that.
00:50:04
And there's a ship on the on the shoreline that is firing cannons
00:50:08
at them, like on the dock, like on the in front of all these
00:50:12
buildings. And so the cannon fire is
00:50:14
hitting the buildings and making those explode.
00:50:18
But the way it was set up, you see the explosions like come
00:50:21
from inside the building, like there's no impact on the
00:50:24
facades. They just explode from within.
00:50:27
And it's like, what kind of neuron laser did this pirate
00:50:31
ship? Well, that wasn't at all.
00:50:35
That was a bomb building. Obviously they shot a building
00:50:37
full of bombs. He shot he.
00:50:39
Shot a cannonball through an open window and it landed in a
00:50:42
building full of bombs in the building blue.
00:50:44
Yeah, it's. Common stuff, really.
00:50:46
I don't know what you're confused about.
00:50:47
So the whole movie's littered. With that, yeah.
00:50:50
My question is, did you see ways in which this film visually may
00:50:57
have inspired the Pirates of the Caribbean movies though?
00:51:00
Because that to me is interesting if, you know, this
00:51:02
movie was a complete failure in a lot of ways, but may have in a
00:51:07
different way almost been a jumping off point for those
00:51:09
movies. You know, it's funny.
00:51:11
It's funny you. Say that at one point in
00:51:13
production the script was. They tried to sell the script to
00:51:17
Disney as Pirates of the Caribbean because that ride at
00:51:20
Disney World already existed. And they were like, we have a
00:51:23
pirate script. Maybe you could produce this and
00:51:25
call it Pirates of the Caribbean.
00:51:26
And they turned it down and then years later they made their own.
00:51:29
So there is a direct connection there.
00:51:31
They're like, hey, that's a good idea.
00:51:32
We should make a. Pirates of the Caribbean movie.
00:51:34
Not that. Not this one, though.
00:51:35
This one looks. Like a big mess.
00:51:39
So yeah, there's a connection. That there's a common thread.
00:51:42
It feels like somebody made an AI it like typed into an AI like
00:51:47
make Pirates of the Caribbean. But it's 1995 and it sucks.
00:51:51
That sucks, yeah. Yeah.
00:51:54
I mean, I, yeah, I feel like there's like we were talking
00:51:56
about in the previous film that sort of, you know, maybe lesser
00:52:01
known properties that inspired bigger ones that maybe more
00:52:04
familiar with. I feel like part of the DNA of
00:52:07
this movie is probably still in Pirates of the Caribbean or like
00:52:11
you said, maybe even part of the reason that those films exist in
00:52:14
the 1st place could be. Yeah.
00:52:16
I don't know, like, what if that thread carried all the way
00:52:19
through to 2003 and then they were like, we're going to make
00:52:21
it ourselves? But it is interesting knowing
00:52:23
that at one point in time this was going to be Pirates of the
00:52:25
Caribbean and how it existing and failing could have prevented
00:52:29
the real Pirates trilogy from ever being made.
00:52:31
Yeah. And so and you also said what
00:52:34
Michael Douglas was the original lead, yes, which is which?
00:52:37
Sounds really weird to me because he seems like he'd be
00:52:39
too old in 95 to play that character, but was am I?
00:52:42
Misremembering. Is his dad not like Kirk
00:52:45
Douglas, who was like a pirate movie guy?
00:52:49
Gosh. I'd have to look that up to be
00:52:50
certain, but that sounds correct.
00:52:52
I'm gonna do that. Right now, just to confirm.
00:52:55
Yeah, yeah. Scallywag, what'd you call?
00:53:00
Me. Kirk Douglas film.
00:53:04
That was just like the first thing that came to mind when you
00:53:06
mentioned that, that he was in it.
00:53:08
I it seemed like it was sort of like a type of almost like
00:53:11
legacy casting. Yeah, maybe it would have been.
00:53:13
Really. Good.
00:53:14
I mean, it sounds like the issue with Douglas and the scripting
00:53:18
and stuff is probably just like a Hollywood contracting thing.
00:53:20
Like I'm sure it was just negotiated to be that way
00:53:22
because he wanted to be like an equal lead.
00:53:24
As the movie ends up. The character that Matthew
00:53:28
Modine plays is definitely not given equal time in a way no
00:53:31
one's given time. Like this movie runs for like 2
00:53:33
hours and somehow nothing happens.
00:53:36
That's the worst. It's so frustrating.
00:53:38
Like the editing. Let's, let's get into the
00:53:40
actual, like, rhythm of the story, OK, Cut Thread Island,
00:53:42
big production mess. We know that.
00:53:43
If we accept all of that, what did we actually get?
00:53:46
So the movie opens with a very confusingly edited sequence
00:53:51
where Geena Davis, whose character's name, I think is
00:53:55
Morgan Adams. It's a good pirate name.
00:53:57
It's a good pirate name. Morgan Adams.
00:54:00
She's having this scene where she, like, wakes up in bed with
00:54:03
this British Navy guy. And he's doing the thing where
00:54:06
he's trying to, like, call her back to bed, like, oh, I had
00:54:08
such a good time. Like, why do you have to go?
00:54:10
And she's just, like, putting her stuff back on.
00:54:12
And then he, like, reveals that he actually is in the Navy
00:54:17
because she doesn't know this. And he's like, there to capture
00:54:19
her because she's already a wanted pirate.
00:54:21
He's like, little did you know that I kind of tricked you into
00:54:23
bed with me and I'm here to, like, get you captured.
00:54:25
And he pulls a gun on her. And then she says, like, oh, I
00:54:29
already knew you were going to do that.
00:54:31
And then she tells him that she took the like, I don't know what
00:54:34
you'd call it. It's like a little old timey
00:54:35
gun. So she says, like the balls out
00:54:36
of the gun, like the bullets. And so he has a really weak
00:54:40
line. Where she says I took your balls
00:54:41
and then leaves, which is awful. But then that scene's playing
00:54:45
out and I'm like, OK, so she knew that she was being tricked
00:54:49
and must therefore be there to steal from the Navy.
00:54:53
No, no, that's it. She just wanted to have sex with
00:54:55
that guy. But he's like, don't worry, you
00:54:57
can't capture me. I'm leaving.
00:54:58
There was no ulterior goal. Like there's no, she just wanted
00:55:03
to sleep with this guy and was like, ah, but he's going to try
00:55:05
to arrest me, so I'll just take the bullets out of his.
00:55:07
Gun, right, yeah, absolutely. And a better movie that would
00:55:11
have led into your sort of opening like action sequence
00:55:15
that kind of shows how good a pirate she is.
00:55:17
And like she's where like he looks over.
00:55:19
On the bedside and then he's like, Oh no, the like important
00:55:22
Mac Guffin map thing is missing and then she's like running away
00:55:25
and he's like, I'll get you Morgan.
00:55:30
So. Yeah, instead, Geena Davis just
00:55:33
wanted to get laid, which is like, good for her.
00:55:36
You go queen, but it's like you. Could have picked somebody.
00:55:40
Else. So she goes on.
00:55:43
She gets on a horse. She meets up with like the rest
00:55:45
of her key pirate crew members, one of whom in a early
00:55:49
appearance is the older brother for Malcolm in the Middle,
00:55:52
Francis OH. Awesome, yeah.
00:55:57
So I thought that was funny. That we both had a Malcolm in
00:55:59
the Middle. Sorry, you were.
00:56:01
Just like yeah anyway. I just mean like, it's not that.
00:56:07
Notable but I was like I've never seen these actors in other
00:56:10
movies but then you saw one in in the wrong guy and there was 1
00:56:13
here in Cut the Rhode Island. True, that's right.
00:56:15
Sorry, yes, I forgot you mentioned.
00:56:16
There was there was a Malcolm in the Middle.
00:56:19
I get it now. Sorry, I wasn't.
00:56:20
Listening. What are we doing?
00:56:24
So she meets up with her crew, the guy from Malcolm in the
00:56:27
Middle is there and they're riding away on horses.
00:56:30
And you get this like opening music sting.
00:56:32
And it's like really impressive cinematography at the beginning
00:56:34
of them riding along the beach on these cool like islands.
00:56:36
And I think they filmed it like Thailand or Malta or something.
00:56:39
Really, really pretty shots. But there's dialogue overlaid on
00:56:43
them where her crewmen are like, Oh no, Morgan, the evil pirate
00:56:48
crew is here. They've captured your dad, our
00:56:50
captain. They're going to kill him.
00:56:52
And so in the same sequence where she's still leaving the
00:56:54
house where she slept with that dude for no reason, she's like,
00:56:58
oh, no, my dad's going to die. And so now her decision making
00:57:00
looks even worse because it's like Morgan, because this all
00:57:04
happened at the same time, I guess.
00:57:05
And so then she's like riding along the beach.
00:57:07
There's a dude in like a tiny little like diggy rowboat who
00:57:10
she kicks in the face and I'm like, I hope that was a pirate
00:57:12
and not just some fisherman. And then she takes the rowboat
00:57:15
and tries to row it over to the bad guys ship.
00:57:18
And this is where we meet our villain, played by Frank
00:57:20
Langella. His name's Dog.
00:57:23
I don't know why. What's up, dog?
00:57:24
I mean, there's a couple of dog jokes in the movie.
00:57:26
Like I think at the end of the movie when Geena Davis kills
00:57:29
him, she literally says like bad dog and then like shoots A
00:57:32
cannonball at him. And I was like, again, what
00:57:33
movie do you think you're in? Gosh, that's honestly that's all
00:57:37
you need to say about this. Movie.
00:57:39
He has one too. He has some other dog.
00:57:42
Related pun. But like this, this family tree
00:57:45
is confusing. So at the beginning of the
00:57:46
movie, they give you this clear implication that Dog knows
00:57:50
Morgan's dad and that they probably used to sail together,
00:57:53
but now they're enemies. And they need like the premise
00:57:56
of the movie is that they need these three pieces of a map in
00:57:58
order to find a buried treasure. Her dad had one, her uncle has
00:58:01
one, and Dog has the third one. And then he keeps saying stuff
00:58:05
to her like, oh, your old uncle Dog.
00:58:07
And for like half the movie I'm like, oh, he's just like being
00:58:11
coy. But then at the end I'm like,
00:58:11
oh, no, that is her uncle too. That like that was her dad's
00:58:14
brother. So which means that the
00:58:15
characters, these three brothers were named like Harry, Mordecai
00:58:20
and Dog, which it's. Like we named the dog Indiana?
00:58:26
Yeah. Exactly.
00:58:27
Yeah, we named the third kid after the.
00:58:29
First thing we saw when he was born.
00:58:32
So that part's really strange. And not very clearly
00:58:34
articulated, but all of this is. This all happens in like 2
00:58:36
minutes. She wakes up, she slept at the
00:58:38
guy, she took the bullets out of his gun.
00:58:39
She rides away, she meets the crew, kicks the guy in the face,
00:58:42
goes to save her dad, completely fails.
00:58:45
Her dad is murdered. Oh, oh, oh, and this is.
00:58:49
Another just like small thing. Where you can tell the script is
00:58:51
falling apart and wasn't finished because throughout this
00:58:53
whole sequence, they're trying to knock the dad overboard.
00:58:56
They're trying to find out where his piece of the map is.
00:58:58
He won't tell them. So Franklin Gel is like, oh,
00:59:01
your daughter must have it. So they knock him overboard.
00:59:03
She tries to get him into the boat.
00:59:04
They're trying to escape, but then he gets like shot in the
00:59:07
back. So dad's not going to make it.
00:59:09
They have like a sad moment together.
00:59:10
We just met these characters, so we don't care at all.
00:59:13
And during this whole scene, Geena Davis calls him father
00:59:16
over and over and over again. She just says, like, father no.
00:59:20
But then later, after he's dead for the rest of the movie, she
00:59:23
calls him Harry. Like, I'm sorry, are you like,
00:59:26
less intimate with your dad now because he's dead?
00:59:28
You're going to call him by his first name?
00:59:31
Call him by his his full government name now.
00:59:33
Yeah, Harry. Bad Dog Mccree.
00:59:35
Or whatever, like it just it's a.
00:59:38
It's a classic example of just like no script.
00:59:40
Continuity. Anyway, this leads to one of the
00:59:43
weirdest things in the movie and possibly the only bit of like, I
00:59:46
don't know, the only thing that gives the movie character and
00:59:48
makes it anything more than like a total boring romp is that her
00:59:51
dad's dying. They're like on a beach now
00:59:54
she's saying her goodbyes to him and he's like, Morgan, before I
00:59:58
die, I need you to shave my head.
01:00:01
And as the audience, you're like, well, what are they
01:00:02
talking about? And then a couple scenes later,
01:00:05
we have this interaction where Morgan's back on the pirate ship
01:00:07
that was her dad's. And she's like, I need to take
01:00:10
charge of this crew so that I can lead them after this
01:00:13
treasure, but they probably won't respect me because I'm a
01:00:15
woman, so I need to win them over.
01:00:17
And so they're like, she's arguing with this, like, first
01:00:19
make guy who wants to be captain too.
01:00:21
And then she's like, I have a third of the map that we need.
01:00:24
And she holds it up. And it's revealed that the map,
01:00:27
her dad's third of the map, was tattooed on his head.
01:00:30
So she scalloped him to show the map at his request.
01:00:36
And I was like, what on earth is this?
01:00:40
And the thing that totally sells it, it's very like tanned at
01:00:44
this point. So it just kind of looks like a
01:00:45
leather map of some kind. But she literally took it off
01:00:47
the top of his head. And throughout this entire scene
01:00:50
where she's waving it around and they're having a conversation
01:00:52
about what's on it, somebody at Post Production added like a
01:00:56
little Foley sound so that when she's waving the scalp head
01:00:59
around, it makes this little kind of like gurgly flapping
01:01:01
noise. That's so gross.
01:01:04
Gosh, this seems like. Like.
01:01:08
The. Writers or or film makers just
01:01:10
like didn't really understand how to make pirates like
01:01:16
appealing lead characters. Like they're like, yeah, pirates
01:01:19
do weird stuff and have weird rituals like that.
01:01:23
And just leaning more into that than into like the fun, like
01:01:27
kind of roguish pirate archetypes.
01:01:30
Yes. Most successful pirate media
01:01:33
frames. Them as like free spirited
01:01:35
people trying to live a life of like adventure under the
01:01:39
oppressive thumb of usually like the Navy or some fictional
01:01:43
government force. And so you're inherently
01:01:45
motivated because the government is always bad.
01:01:47
And these people, the good pirates at least are like
01:01:50
helpful and free spirited and they just want to sail the seas.
01:01:53
These people are awful. Like Geena Davis scalloped her
01:01:55
dead dad and is just hanging his skin map around and it's just
01:01:58
like, let's go. It's so weird.
01:02:02
And again, Geena Davis isn't emphasizing.
01:02:04
Anything in her performance. So it's like delivered in this
01:02:06
weirdly, like detached way, like she's a serial killer.
01:02:09
Yeah. And I'm like, you know what?
01:02:10
I would. I would buy that the.
01:02:12
Like, roguish pirate crew sails under her because they're afraid
01:02:15
that they're going to get scalped next, which would just
01:02:17
be a very funny beat to continue the movie on.
01:02:18
But the movie is not a comedy on purpose.
01:02:20
So we just carry on. And instead it's like, well,
01:02:24
dad's Skinhead map, it's like Latin on it.
01:02:28
So we have to find. Someone who can read Latin?
01:02:32
And that's what leads them to Matthew Modine, who is the very
01:02:35
generic like roguish, charming thief archetype.
01:02:40
And they just find him in jail being sold as a slave.
01:02:43
And then they have to like bid to win him as a slave so that
01:02:46
they can run off and then have him help them with the map.
01:02:48
Wait, because he understands that he can read it.
01:02:51
They. Somehow find out that like
01:02:53
there's a guy being. Held out at the slave auction
01:02:55
who they're convinced can read Latin because Matthew would Dean
01:02:59
supposed to just be this kind of, like, charming guy who can
01:03:01
blend into any crowd and is always trying to steal stuff.
01:03:04
And that's your other lead in the movie.
01:03:05
And that's the romantic interest for Geena Davis is that they
01:03:08
free him. You know, he's a thief.
01:03:10
So the whole time they're like, is he going to help Geena Davis
01:03:12
or is he going to try to steal this secret treasure for
01:03:14
himself? And that's, like, the anchoring
01:03:17
point, although there's multiple beats in the story that could
01:03:19
have emphasized that he doesn't have to be there and could
01:03:21
betray them. But if they don't, like, he just
01:03:23
helps them very willingly and honestly for a long time.
01:03:26
And then the movie remembers that he's supposed to be, like,
01:03:28
treacherous. And then there's, like, scenes
01:03:29
afterwards. Whole thing's a big mess.
01:03:31
Well, yeah. And like.
01:03:34
I do wonder, since he was brought in later and that held
01:03:36
up the production, that must have affected how his character
01:03:40
was written into the story and also his performance and some
01:03:44
costuming even, like so many little things that would have
01:03:47
gone into like the presentation of that character.
01:03:49
Yeah, he really like sometimes watching cutthroat.
01:03:52
Island, it feels like you're watching someone filming a movie
01:03:54
in a movie where like all of a sudden someone's going to yell
01:03:57
cut and then Genevis is going to walk off set like as her actual
01:03:59
character in the story. Oh wait, shoot, she'd walk.
01:04:03
Off set and not be Geena. Davis.
01:04:05
She would still be Captain Morgan.
01:04:06
No, no, no. Like like, you know how you make
01:04:08
movies about actors? And then you like show them
01:04:11
filming something and then you like cut and then like, OK,
01:04:13
who's this person? Actually, it's just so wooden at
01:04:16
times, which is funny contrasted against some very impressive
01:04:19
stunt work and action set pieces and and just general production
01:04:23
design. I I can't even really think of
01:04:26
how it's like the story has so few beats.
01:04:28
They get the they get the scalped map and then they go
01:04:32
visit Geena Davis's uncle for his part of the map.
01:04:34
Which his third of the map is also not a regular map.
01:04:38
It's like this bronze half circle with his part of the map
01:04:43
engraved onto it. Which is really weird because
01:04:46
1/3 of the map is a man's head, the other third is like a bronze
01:04:51
disc. And then dog the bad guy, guess
01:04:53
what? His half what his third of the
01:04:54
map is made out of a regular map.
01:04:57
Wanna. Guess it's just a regular.
01:05:00
Canvas. Map like does it.
01:05:02
Make sense? So there's literally.
01:05:04
They ran out of ideas. There's literally a scene where
01:05:06
the main characters. Get all three.
01:05:08
And they're like piercing together.
01:05:10
And one of the thirds is in three dimensions because it's
01:05:13
like a giant hemisphere, like hemisphere.
01:05:15
And then it's like skin map, map, map.
01:05:18
And it's like, hey, guys, why didn't we all just use paper
01:05:20
maps? Yeah, well, also what is this?
01:05:23
Are they looking for the one? Piece like what is this treasure
01:05:25
who buried this? Like why is there such a what's
01:05:28
this map system? I believe it's the movie only
01:05:31
says this once and then forgets. About it.
01:05:32
But it's supposed to be their dad's treasure.
01:05:34
So Geena Davis's grandfather's treasure.
01:05:37
OK, He couldn't have just like, told them.
01:05:40
Where it was now. And that's The funny thing.
01:05:41
We get all of the characters. To Cutthroat Island where the
01:05:45
where the treasure is like an hour in and they all just kind
01:05:47
of follow each other there. So like, we didn't really need
01:05:49
the map part anyway. You could have just had Geena
01:05:52
Davis get the map of her dad's head, then just have everyone
01:05:56
else like follow her to get there.
01:05:57
Because there's a subplot to get the Navy involved where one of
01:06:01
the people on Captain Morgan Adams ship is an author who's
01:06:06
just like travels around the world with pirates and like
01:06:09
writes about their adventures to to make like novels.
01:06:12
And so he gets pulled aside by the Navy, who are like, hey, if
01:06:17
you lead us along, we'll let you live.
01:06:20
But otherwise, we're going to like, try you as a pirate and
01:06:22
get you killed. And so that's how we get the
01:06:24
Navy to the island. And the dog just follows the
01:06:27
rest of the cast to the island. Everybody goes to the island,
01:06:29
even though we had this whole thing about a map and like, X
01:06:31
marks the spot. They're like whatever X is over
01:06:33
there, follow me. Yeah, well, you said the script
01:06:39
went. Through several rewrites too,
01:06:41
like during production, I think either during or like right
01:06:44
before I believe they started. Filming without the script
01:06:46
finished. Yeah, yeah.
01:06:48
That's the, IT feels like it it that's.
01:06:50
What it feels like they'll they'll introduce plot beats and
01:06:52
then resolve them. Like, immediately afterwards,
01:06:55
like, there's a scene where they go to visit Geena Davis's uncle.
01:07:00
Dog Pirate catches up to him. There's a big melee.
01:07:02
And in the melee, Matthew Modine gets away with the uncle's third
01:07:06
of the map, the big disc. And then Geena Davis is
01:07:08
convinced that he has it because she knows that he's like a
01:07:11
rogue. And so they have this whole
01:07:12
interaction that's supposed to be full of romantic tension
01:07:15
where they're, like, getting all close to each other.
01:07:17
And she's like, I know you have the other third of the map.
01:07:19
I need you to give it to me. And he's like, I promise I
01:07:20
don't. And then she leaves.
01:07:23
About 20 seconds pass in the movie, and we cut to another
01:07:26
scene that's like, later that night of Matthew Modine trying
01:07:29
to, like, use both parts of the map to find out where it is.
01:07:31
And then she catches him, and she's like, I knew you had the
01:07:32
map. It's like, we just talked about
01:07:36
this. There was nothing in between.
01:07:38
They're like, I wonder if he has the map.
01:07:40
He has the map Like, Oh yeah. Well, that's unfortunate.
01:07:46
Yeah. I can't even like.
01:07:49
There's so many weird lines. The only person who feels like
01:07:52
they're trying to like, salvage it is Frank Langella as dog.
01:07:56
Like, he growls every single line because he's a dog, I
01:07:58
guess. He like, growls all of his
01:08:00
dialogue and tries to play it all like silly.
01:08:03
You know, that's like a thing. You'll have like a good actor in
01:08:05
a bad movie and they'll try to really, like, ham it up to make
01:08:07
up for it. And he does that a little, but
01:08:09
it's not really that entertaining.
01:08:11
Well, it just, it sounds like nobody.
01:08:13
Was on the same page here, You know, like, even just talking
01:08:17
about those three, like Jane Davis, Matthew Nodine and Frank
01:08:21
Langella, it seems like those 3 all thought they were in
01:08:24
different movies. Yeah.
01:08:26
And it's just not like, congealing at all.
01:08:30
And this, I don't know, it's just, it sounds like a very
01:08:34
troubled production, which, like you said, like near the
01:08:38
beginning, like that can sometimes lead to something
01:08:41
that's like, fun that's like, so bad it's good in a way,
01:08:44
absolutely. But this just seems like sort of
01:08:47
a headache because it's just, yeah.
01:08:50
Because ultimately, too much of a mess.
01:08:52
Ultimately. The people involved were too
01:08:54
competent to stitch together like a bizarre enough movie.
01:08:57
So what you get is just like a tape together movie made as best
01:09:01
they could with what they were able to shoot.
01:09:03
And that just leads as very boring because they're trying to
01:09:05
do it by the numbers, but they don't have all the numbers.
01:09:08
So it's just not fun to watch. Where it's like a true dumpster
01:09:12
fire mess of a movie can sometimes be really
01:09:14
entertaining. That Rhode Island is just
01:09:16
frustratingly boring. So much so that my phone died
01:09:19
about 2/3 of the way through and I was like, Oh no, I can't take
01:09:22
notes anymore. I just didn't even care.
01:09:24
I just watched the rest. I just completely.
01:09:28
Resigned. I'm remembering stuff now
01:09:30
because I didn't write it down. So there's these two.
01:09:33
I keep calling him Navy. I assume they're.
01:09:35
The British Navy like. Navy officer guys akin to the
01:09:37
ones and Pirates of the Caribbean.
01:09:38
One of them is like in charge and he has this younger guy who
01:09:41
he's always like guiding and telling what to do.
01:09:44
And it's almost played as if this is like his nephew or
01:09:47
something, some sort of like nepotism hire.
01:09:49
And these two characters come in and out of the movie and the
01:09:51
older Navy guys like trying to get to the island to get part of
01:09:54
the treasure. And then towards the end of the
01:09:56
movie, The younger Navy guy like betrays the Navy and joins the
01:09:59
pirates for no no reason. Like nobody even mistreated him
01:10:05
like he was not. It's played akin to those guys
01:10:08
in Pirates of the Caribbean where like the Navy's mean to
01:10:10
them and so they like realize they'd rather be pirates.
01:10:13
This guy just like turned coats for literally no reason after 0
01:10:17
setup. And then at the end of the movie
01:10:19
he's just hanging out with Geena Davis.
01:10:20
Wow. Wow, that that's actually one of
01:10:23
the more. Shocking things you've told me
01:10:24
about this movie, like what? Where did that come from?
01:10:27
It's set up like. Tonally you have this impression
01:10:30
of like. The older Navy guys always like
01:10:32
belligerent towards him and and making him giving him a hard
01:10:35
time. He never does.
01:10:37
He's like relatively chill. He just gives him orders.
01:10:40
There's nothing bad about it at all.
01:10:42
And then at the end he's like, I hate these guys.
01:10:45
It's like why see this also feels.
01:10:49
Like this is something we've talked about in the past too,
01:10:51
but like when you get into post production and it's just kind of
01:10:53
like, well, what do we have here?
01:10:55
Like how do we piece this together into a movie?
01:10:59
And maybe those scenes got cut that would explain that or were
01:11:04
never even shot in the 1st place.
01:11:06
But they shot the resolution of that character's arc and you
01:11:09
can't get around it because he's physically there in the scene
01:11:12
at. The end.
01:11:12
Yeah, exactly. So you just kind of have to
01:11:15
shove it in. There like yeah, because I feel
01:11:17
like this is not always the case, but generally speaking,
01:11:19
like those like so bad it's good movies are usually ironically
01:11:25
the ones that that have a clear vision of what they want to be.
01:11:28
It's just what that vision is. It's like ridiculous or bad or
01:11:31
like unattainable, like relative to the resources they.
01:11:34
Have totally totally like and that's why it's funny.
01:11:37
Because it's almost endearing in a way.
01:11:39
Where is this? Just feels like there was a lot
01:11:43
of a lot of money and a lot of ego and a lot of production
01:11:48
hurdles and it just never knew what it wanted to be.
01:11:53
Like I said, the three leads sound like they are in three
01:11:57
different movies and and have no idea what the tone is or even
01:12:00
what their characters are supposed to be and the the story
01:12:03
is so flat and advances. At such a snail's pace that by
01:12:07
the time it's over, I was watching this with my wife and
01:12:09
she said when it was over that she felt, quote, elated because
01:12:12
the credits started like, not like.
01:12:16
What a good experience but like. Oh my God, I can leave now.
01:12:19
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. That's that's what the the
01:12:22
director. Meant where he's like, yeah,
01:12:23
yeah, it's actually pretty good if you watch it like you'll,
01:12:25
you'll appreciate your life, appreciate the rest of your
01:12:27
life. Yeah, you'll step.
01:12:28
Outside and be like, oh gosh, the.
01:12:29
Sun. Yeah, now I'm looking at the
01:12:34
Wikipedia page for this movie. And I do see that there was a
01:12:36
video game tie in. Have we?
01:12:38
Oh, I should have started with that.
01:12:39
So in our. Started with well in our episode
01:12:43
9. We talked about the no escape.
01:12:45
Video game and I ended up doing a little let's play off camera
01:12:48
and putting the footage in the episode on YouTube.
01:12:51
I'm going to pre empt that this time.
01:12:52
So if you've been watching this on YouTube, hopefully you'll
01:12:54
have like this whole half of the episode.
01:12:56
It's just going to be me trying to play Cutthroat Island for
01:12:58
SNES. Yes, yes, good.
01:13:02
Stuff I I want to see that myself.
01:13:04
If the movie we review has a Super Nintendo game, we will.
01:13:07
Find a way to play it. Yeah, this is the second one.
01:13:12
Yeah, I think at least 2. Unless we missed them.
01:13:14
Yeah, I. Don't think Rushmore had.
01:13:16
One, I know we talked about that, don't think there was a.
01:13:18
Rushmore game anyway, Cutthroat Island sucks so yar.
01:13:29
How did the movie end? What was what was?
01:13:31
No, the review's over the. Review's over, the movie's done.
01:13:34
Never mind. Just never mind.
01:13:36
Goodbye. Well, how do you think she says
01:13:39
bad? Dog and hits him with a
01:13:40
cannonball. Oh, oh, oh, you're right.
01:13:42
You already told me. Yeah.
01:13:43
So and what? And then they just like, get the
01:13:45
treasure and sail away. Like, is there no like, yeah,
01:13:48
that last crusade. They try to do the Last Crusade.
01:13:52
Ending but then they undermine it because towards the end all
01:13:55
the treasures aboard dog ship and Matthew Modine goes below
01:13:59
decks to try to like take it back and then he gets like
01:14:02
pinned underneath it because the ship's rocking and there's like
01:14:06
cannon fire and stuff so there's a whole beat at the end where
01:14:08
Geena Davis because she loves him now for some reason has to
01:14:12
save him and then she like dives under the water and you hear him
01:14:15
be like we can't like it's all too heavy we can't save the
01:14:18
treasure we got to save ourselves and so they're like
01:14:21
floating in the water at the end and he's like well we didn't get
01:14:23
any of the money but at least we have each other and then Geena
01:14:26
Davis is like no don't worry I got the money and then should we
01:14:28
find out that she like tied something to it so it would
01:14:30
float to the surface no, she did it all right and she very.
01:14:34
Flatly, just like, don't worry, I have the money now, yo ho.
01:14:39
And then it plays the pardon, which is actually what I was.
01:14:42
Trying to to hum there, but you. Called it Indian.
01:14:46
I thought you meant the in the Last crusade where they.
01:14:48
Leave without the. Thing, but they like ride off
01:14:50
into the right, right? Yeah, I guess both works, yeah.
01:14:54
Yeah, that's it. That's the end.
01:14:56
Oh. All right, Yeah, that OK, that
01:14:58
dog I did on a very. Sad.
01:15:00
Yeah. And then the the credits rolled.
01:15:02
Everybody claps because they could, they could leave.
01:15:04
Now they're like, we're running out the door.
01:15:06
Yeah. OK.
01:15:07
So what I'm hearing is you really liked it was really.
01:15:09
Good. Really good, yeah.
01:15:13
Well. Scores.
01:15:19
Oh yeah, sure. All right, Frank, after some
01:15:27
thrilling conversations. About a movie you really liked
01:15:29
and another one I really didn't. Let's move into wrap up and
01:15:33
scoring for episode 11. Over to you.
01:15:36
Yes, that the wrong guy. I I enjoyed it and and I feel
01:15:42
like this. This is I.
01:15:44
Think you've given this score once before, but this for me, I
01:15:49
think is, is, is a 7 out of 10. Oh, it's a 7 out of 10.
01:15:53
The elusive 7. I think it's a 7 out of 10
01:15:55
'cause it's just. Like a movie, it's just like,
01:16:01
it's just like that. Like like I like.
01:16:03
I was saying in comparing it to, like, Gamera, it absolutely
01:16:07
succeeded in what it was trying to be, and it wasn't the best
01:16:13
version of that thing I've ever seen.
01:16:16
You know, I think like a 10 out of 10 movie that would be
01:16:21
similar to this one in a very similar category would be like
01:16:24
Clue, the 80s Clue. Yeah, yeah.
01:16:29
Like that to me would. Be like a 10 out of 10 version
01:16:32
of this. And this is like the seven out
01:16:33
of 10. Yeah, like a good effort, but it
01:16:36
feels like it. Didn't it didn't aim very high.
01:16:38
It was a simple story. Yeah, that's a good day.
01:16:41
But it yeah, absolutely. And.
01:16:43
But it executed on it well, and it was likable and enjoyable and
01:16:49
funny at. Times.
01:16:50
And so it just kind of it it like nailed that sort of like
01:16:55
middle of the road comedy approach, inoffensive, just very
01:16:58
straightforward. That's a good seven.
01:17:00
You know you want a movie just. That, you know, you're going to
01:17:03
not hate, but you're not looking for anything like it's going to
01:17:06
blow your mind. Wrong guy.
01:17:08
Yeah, exactly. Perfect.
01:17:10
It's worth checking out. Definitely a recommend.
01:17:12
OK, good to know. Cut throat Island.
01:17:16
I went back and forth on this a little because we're in the
01:17:20
dregs, you know, we're not given a high score.
01:17:22
We're below 5. But it's like, it did too many
01:17:26
things correctly to like, completely sandbag it as like A1
01:17:30
or A2. Like the production design is
01:17:32
really good, the music is very good, the costumes and
01:17:37
everything look cool. Like the movie is misusing all
01:17:39
of its resources. But at a fundamental level you
01:17:42
are seeing an action adventure movie and those are inherently
01:17:46
likeable. This movie fights so hard to
01:17:48
make it unlikeable. Like it tries so hard to make
01:17:52
the. Idea of a swashbuckling.
01:17:53
Pirate the lamest thing ever and mostly succeeds, but I still
01:17:58
think I would give Cutthroat Island a three out of 10, which
01:18:00
is maybe crazy that it's not our lowest rated movie.
01:18:03
I I disliked Sphere in our previous episode even more than
01:18:06
this because fear was just like hollow and empty and
01:18:09
frustrating, whereas Cutthroat Island I at least had the
01:18:12
experience of like jaw-dropping disbelief and what a mess it
01:18:16
was. Yeah.
01:18:20
It's it's, I mean. Honestly, between the two,
01:18:23
between Sphere and this film, like I think both of them I
01:18:27
guess are are examples of what I was mentioning earlier of just
01:18:30
like you can have a lot of talent attached, you can put a
01:18:34
lot of money into the budget of the film and like it can still
01:18:39
be a visual spectacle and none of that matters if it's just not
01:18:44
a good story or doesn't have the right direction or artistic
01:18:47
intention. Character sandbags the whole
01:18:49
movie and decides they don't. Want to be in it and so they
01:18:51
just don't act in it. Yeah, absolutely.
01:18:55
I sphere was more. Surprising because I thought
01:18:57
that that one would just be like, I don't know, what is
01:19:00
this, you know, just like kind of a random sci-fi movie.
01:19:02
This one has the like, the most well known thing about this
01:19:05
movie is that it's bad. Yeah.
01:19:08
Or, or at least that it didn't make any money.
01:19:11
Box office failure bankrupted a studio.
01:19:13
Possibly ended a marriage? We can't say.
01:19:15
Possibly, Most likely. Maybe a few in the audience.
01:19:18
We don't. Know.
01:19:21
Check why did you take? Me to see this movie.
01:19:22
The last straw How many pirate films?
01:19:25
Steve Not until 2000. Three while I watched another
01:19:29
pirate film. But it won't be with you.
01:19:34
Aw. Yeah, 3 out of 10. 3 out of 10.
01:19:38
On the grifter scale on. The grifter scale right down
01:19:41
there. With grifter we have run the.
01:19:43
Gambit I think we've had every score except for A1.
01:19:46
We've had two through 10. Howdy.
01:19:48
Very curious to see a one. Because like.
01:19:50
A1 in its own way would be like almost like 2 noteworthy, you
01:19:57
know like it's like what would something have to do to be like
01:20:00
AI mean A zero is also an option too.
01:20:02
We could go even go into the negatives if we want, but I
01:20:04
think it would have to become about intention like negatives.
01:20:07
I think A0 or A1 would be like, what's that movie Triumph of the
01:20:12
Will? What's that like Nazi propaganda
01:20:13
movie? I'm not sure.
01:20:15
Yeah, yeah, yeah, that one. Would be like negative points.
01:20:18
Because it's like, yeah, really. I just checked this movie.
01:20:20
It was actually so. I think it was.
01:20:22
Actually like a landmark. Documentary in terms.
01:20:24
Of the filmmaking. Or like there's ADW Griffith
01:20:27
movie called something from like the 1910s that's like a Ku Klux
01:20:32
Klan movie that like genuinely like brought that.
01:20:35
Oh, I thought that was the one you were talking about.
01:20:37
Trying for the will is a like. Is about them filming.
01:20:40
Like Nazi rallies in Germany. Oh yes, yes, sorry.
01:20:43
So if you had like an irresponsible documentary or
01:20:46
something that promoted very like harmful beliefs or
01:20:50
something that would crater you. But like if you're just a big
01:20:52
stupid movie, you're probably going to bought about it like a
01:20:54
two or three. Sure, sure.
01:20:56
I mean, honestly, yeah. Like.
01:20:59
Or, or I guess it would just have to be something that like
01:21:00
really upset you to the point that it was so like a movie that
01:21:04
like had my name on the screen and then just someone saying
01:21:06
you're. Stupid like, over and over
01:21:08
again. I might, yeah.
01:21:12
I just shocked sphere was so bad.
01:21:14
Sphere was. Crazy Sphere is the lowest rated
01:21:16
movie of the season and. Will hopefully stay that way.
01:21:19
Yeah, I guess looking ahead. So this is the end of episode
01:21:22
11. Our upcoming episode in two
01:21:24
weeks will be the end of Season 1 finale of Season 1.
01:21:27
We will declare a winner for that episode, but also an
01:21:29
overall winner for the scores across all 12 movies we've each
01:21:33
recommended. And so with that in mind, Frank,
01:21:35
you're currently down 6 points in the Season 1 totals.
01:21:38
I thought it would be more severe because of how bad
01:21:41
Cutthroat Island was. But this is winnable.
01:21:43
If you pick a really good movie for next time and you beat me
01:21:46
out by like 6 or 7 points, you could still win the whole thing.
01:21:49
Yeah, that's true. And keep in mind, whoever loses
01:21:54
Season 1 has to watch all of the prophecy movies that we talked
01:21:58
about in our Halloween episode. Frank is seen the first one, but
01:22:02
there's four more. Yeah, yeah, that seemed like.
01:22:06
Really fun until like now that it's like I'm on the precipice
01:22:10
of losing. Just like I thought this was
01:22:13
funny when there would be no consequences.
01:22:14
Shoot, got to watch all these prophecy movies.
01:22:19
That's going to be your work in our off.
01:22:21
Well, we won't have an offseason.
01:22:22
We're not going to skip any episodes, but between episodes
01:22:24
Season 1 and Season 2, somebody's going to be watching
01:22:27
a lot of prophecies anyway that mind.
01:22:31
I guess I win the. Episode cause the movie I picked
01:22:34
with got a better score than the one that you recommended.
01:22:36
So I will go first for next time and then Frankie, you better
01:22:39
pick a great movie. So when I was typing in
01:22:44
cutthroat island, I was watching on Tubi to like free with ads
01:22:47
streaming site because that has a lot of these ones we've picked
01:22:49
for the show. And as I was typing in cutthroat
01:22:52
island a movie popped up called the cutting edge along with much
01:22:56
like prophecy, like 6 sequels, all called the cutting edge.
01:22:59
And I was reading it. I was like, what's this?
01:23:02
It's a romance movie about, like a figure skater woman and a guy
01:23:07
who plays hockey. And I'm sure you can see where
01:23:09
that's going. No, explain it to me.
01:23:11
Yeah. So it's like, you see, he has
01:23:12
to. Ice Skate.
01:23:13
And then you'll see, you'll see it's the movie you're watching,
01:23:17
so it looks like a really basic sports.
01:23:20
Romance. Movie from 1992 and I would have
01:23:24
gone right past it except that I saw that the person who wrote
01:23:27
the movie is Tony Gilroy. Who, some people might know, is
01:23:31
the guy who wrote Andor, the Star Wars show.
01:23:36
Oh. So.
01:23:37
Tony Gilroy. Who more recently?
01:23:39
Has written the extremely critically acclaimed political
01:23:43
thriller drama Andor for Disney. Got his start.
01:23:47
His first writing credit for a feature film is 1992's The
01:23:50
Cutting Edge, and I just find the disparity between those two
01:23:54
things so funny that I can't help but recommend it.
01:24:00
I mean. So he's the lead writer.
01:24:02
On Andor for Andor and for the movie Rogue One that preceded.
01:24:07
It and other like movies that you would recognize but he's
01:24:10
like the lead creative behind Andor.
01:24:13
Cool. All right.
01:24:14
Yeah. So I mean.
01:24:15
Andor's great, I think. You maybe haven't.
01:24:18
Seen it yet but I I really enjoyed that show.
01:24:20
I saw it on the verse. I'm not done, but I've watched.
01:24:22
A lot of it. OK, cool.
01:24:24
The cutting edge, all right. Yeah, that's all right.
01:24:27
That's your closer, that's your closing argument.
01:24:29
Yeah. Your Honor, my closing thoughts,
01:24:31
it was not going. To be this, but I couldn't help
01:24:33
but recommend it just because of the and OR connection is too
01:24:36
funny. All right, Yeah, all right.
01:24:38
Cool. I'll check.
01:24:39
It out all right, What do you got for me?
01:24:42
So it's DW. Griffith, it's.
01:24:47
A really cool movie, just want you to check it out.
01:24:53
This one I. Feel like can we pull up the
01:24:59
rules? Can we pull up My God, put the
01:25:00
rules graphic up again? What's the rules question?
01:25:08
Rule. Book.
01:25:08
On this one. No, I think this counts.
01:25:11
I think this counts 11 episodes then does not understand the
01:25:16
game I. Understand it completely this.
01:25:21
Is I'm going with a big. Swing OK, this is my closing.
01:25:23
Argument all right, this this is a made for TV movie pilot wait
01:25:30
for a television series it's a. It's a.
01:25:35
Feature film made. For television that was supposed
01:25:38
to kick off ATV show. That did caught kick off ATV
01:25:41
show. Oh, it did.
01:25:43
Yes, OK, this is 1993 Babylon 5, The Gathering.
01:25:49
What the? What is the?
01:25:54
Babylon 5 is a. Sci-fi television show that from
01:26:01
my understanding is very similar to what this is.
01:26:05
What people have said is very similar to Deep Space 9.
01:26:09
We do like some deep space night Star Trek.
01:26:11
That's. Okay, let him cook everybody,
01:26:14
this is my big swing, my 6. Let's let him cook, yeah?
01:26:20
Babylon 5. The Gathering.
01:26:22
Was the Yeah feature film pilot that launched the television
01:26:28
series that came after, so it has the full cast of the TV
01:26:31
series I. Think some of the lead roles
01:26:34
change in between. Because it was like a pilot to
01:26:36
like sell the show. Oh, interesting.
01:26:38
So after the movie, I I don't know if it's the same characters
01:26:45
with different actors or they just switch out, but they
01:26:47
definitely switch out some of the leads between this movie and
01:26:50
then like the first episode of the series.
01:26:52
OK, that's fun. I've definitely seen there's
01:26:54
been a. Number of examples of like, film
01:26:56
releases that became shows afterwards.
01:26:58
I think Stargate had a movie first.
01:27:02
Yeah, yeah. Buffy the Vampire Slayer,
01:27:05
although that was sort of a retooled TV show afterwards.
01:27:08
Same thing, though. Yeah, they it was the movie, and
01:27:10
then they changed the cast. And then had the show Babylon
01:27:13
fight, I could not have guessed that in a million trips, not
01:27:15
once. Like I had a list of probably 20
01:27:18
movies always on hand in case like something I picked didn't
01:27:20
work or wasn't available. Not once have you ever picked
01:27:24
something that I also wrote down.
01:27:25
It's so funny to me that looking for the same thing, we found 24
01:27:29
completely different films. Yeah, it's pretty cool.
01:27:33
Actually, yeah, that's good Internet.
01:27:36
Weird, weird. OK.
01:27:39
Babylon 5 so our season. Finale for underrated forgotten
01:27:45
films of the 1990s is a sports drama, romance with actors no
01:27:50
one's ever heard of and a made for TV pilot for ATV show.
01:27:55
Yeah, yeah, this is. What people want, yeah.
01:27:58
Maybe there should have been a 10 episode season.
01:28:05
OK, well, you know what? That's exciting.
01:28:08
TuneIn In two weeks we will give you our Season 1 finale and then
01:28:12
programming note. The episode after that will be a
01:28:14
Season 1 recap, which would be a great way to jump in if you've
01:28:17
only listened to some of the episodes or if you've heard them
01:28:19
all. We're going to go back and
01:28:20
revisit all 24 films and probably rank them to figure out
01:28:23
the definitive forgotten films of the 1990s.
01:28:26
Which ones are the best? Yeah, that'll be fun.
01:28:28
I'm I'm looking forward to the the.
01:28:30
Retrospective Frank, I'm going to keep you on the horn this
01:28:32
time while we go through our. Social media call outs at the
01:28:35
end because I keep forgetting to do these and then forgetting to
01:28:37
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01:28:59
Frankie, you got anything to plug before we close out?
01:29:02
Yeah, I I think you queued me up for this last week and.
01:29:04
Then I went like deer in the headlights and forgot but.
01:29:10
You can also check out. Sardonic Motion Pictures
01:29:13
website, which is the production company that the Independent
01:29:18
film that I Co produced with my good friend Austin, who we've
01:29:22
talked about. We'll we'll we'll probably try
01:29:23
and have him on the show soon at some point.
01:29:27
But yeah, you can check out that Our film just finished its
01:29:31
festival season. And what's the movie called?
01:29:34
Nate, Mariah. In Venice it is.
01:29:37
Our feature film debut, Which we're very excited about and it
01:29:44
we're very excited to have it scream at several different
01:29:48
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01:29:50
And but if you want updates about that, about when that's
01:29:53
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01:29:57
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01:30:02
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01:30:04
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01:30:06
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01:30:08
Those are in the description for this episode on all platforms.
01:30:11
You can always go down there to find those with that.
01:30:13
Thank you so much again for watching.
01:30:14
We will be back in two weeks and before we go, Frank, you're
01:30:17
going to close this out on something.
01:30:18
Uh oh, uh oh. Christopher Walken does the
01:30:28
outros. Oh, I see in the studio.
01:30:31
Annoying. I was trying to do him, but he.
01:30:36
Was trying to walk in the studio.
01:30:37
Realizing that he was in the studio, that is.
01:30:40
Some avant-garde improv work that's.
01:30:42
Him being like, oh wait, it's a mirror.
01:30:43
It's I'm reflected in the glass. It's like.
01:30:47
A fun house like. A fun.
01:30:51
One. All right, that's it.
01:30:52
Cut the feed. Cut the feed.
01:30:53
The show's over. I'll see you in two weeks.
01:30:55
Bye bye. Coming up next, it's Babylon 5.
01:31:11
The Gathering followed by the Cutting Edge on Meet Your double
01:31:15
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